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m j
02-10-2009, 11:08 PM
daylight hours with a helper
we got this done

m j
02-10-2009, 11:11 PM
lost the helper
played til 10pm

Ginger Snaps
02-10-2009, 11:12 PM
kool rig man looking forward to this build!

muddy mud skipper
02-11-2009, 12:30 AM
looks like a killer project[cheers] cant wait to see more of it

Reeseman
02-11-2009, 11:06 AM
you going to cut the front fenders out to clear the tires?

m j
02-11-2009, 11:13 AM
looks like fenders and rad support will be getting customized
I wish I hadnt hacked what i did last night
if I was thinkning I could have section it a bit nicer
gonna go sit and stare at it with a cup of coffee to see if I can come up with a plan

the body mods are gonna be pretty massive.
will be cutting the rockers up to the white section and replacing it with 1/4" box tubing,
might go wide enough to have the rockers the same distance as the widest point on the cab, kinda like a running board
exo etc etc
reason I dont do build threads is I change my mind about 20 times at each step so I build things over and over

Explorer guy418
02-11-2009, 11:45 AM
wickid build man.. gotta love those old trucks..

patford
02-11-2009, 06:08 PM
Did you weld your wheels ? and how the centers ? Love seeing the old
Fords keep it up .

m j
02-11-2009, 06:21 PM
Did you weld your wheels ? and how the centers ? Love seeing the old
Fords keep it up .

I paid pretty good $$ for those wheels, a bit pissed about them actually.
the rim stiffeners were welded on real shitty.
all 4 rims look like an areo bar on the outer ring, like he was migwelding in a windstorm or outa argon
I havent even calmed down enough to write the supplier explaining my displeasure about it.
if you fuck up a weld like that why would you send it to powdercoating...anyway before I rant I will stop.

I really like these truck too, dunno why they changed them.
spent today cleaning it out. amazing how much dead leaves can be stored in a cowl

78fullsize
02-11-2009, 08:02 PM
good looking truck ur building there cant wait to see more of it. what are u runing for a motor??

fj401ton
02-11-2009, 08:17 PM
Nice, and i'm not even a ford guy. Love the first shot on post 2, head on, looks sweet with the minty bumper [36]

m j
02-11-2009, 08:20 PM
Nice, and i'm not even a ford guy. Love the first shot on post 2, head on, looks sweet with the minty bumper [36]

it is just too bad I have no steering arms :)

m j
02-11-2009, 08:23 PM
good looking truck ur building there cant wait to see more of it. what are u runing for a motor??

dont really have a motor for it yet, whats in it now is a 351m

Reaper
02-11-2009, 10:00 PM
nice looking build
engine hoists work so good for moving cabs (did the same for mine)

Explorer guy418
02-11-2009, 10:19 PM
dont really have a motor for it yet, whats in it now is a 351m
why aint u runnin that engine thats in there? looks half decent...

m j
02-11-2009, 10:23 PM
nice looking build
engine hoists work so good for moving cabs (did the same for mine)

just saw your pics, you are a bit crazier then I am on the engine hoist cab swap.
in my defence the surface was stamped concrete and a sloped driveway but still you did full interior all glass and doors with an extra cab...wow.

I didnt know how heavy it would be so I ripped out everything heavy.

m j
02-11-2009, 10:26 PM
why aint u runnin that engine thats in there? looks half decent...

previous owner rebuilt it
all I did to it was external stuff, valve covers/distributor/lpg/3g alternator/water pump/saginaw PS pump pretty much made a thread for each lil project on it
nothing wrong with it other then the pistons are not going to like a turbo at all
and the compression is way too low for LPG without the turbo
with the BBQ juice and the single plane manifold it has no bottom end power
I will run it as $$ is tight lately but I wouldnt consider it a part of the build, more of a fill in til I can do my own.

Ginger Snaps
02-12-2009, 12:33 AM
are you going to strech the front clip or do something totally diffrent?

HEAVY METAL
02-12-2009, 06:59 AM
right on mj..

m j
02-12-2009, 01:33 PM
are you going to strech the front clip or do something totally diffrent?

going to trim the rad support and fender for clearance.
might have moved the axle too far for the 42s :) will be fun trying to fit them
then cut the frame in the back, trying to get tires as close to the corners as possible
rear boxsides will be about 54" long

78bronco
02-12-2009, 11:23 PM
looks sweet and how far forward did yo umove the front axle? and check out my page at my front fenders ive moved my axle ahead as well

m j
02-12-2009, 11:24 PM
looks sweet and how far forward did yo umove the front axle? and check out my page at my front fenders ive moved my axle ahead as well

send me a link please

m j
02-13-2009, 11:37 AM
looks sweet and how far forward did yo umove the front axle? and check out my page at my front fenders ive moved my axle ahead as well

I kinda lost track of how far the axle moved.
I changed my mind about 3 or 4 times on where the front axle was going to be,
and then I decided to stop thinking and just welded the tube adapters to the control arms to make myself move on to other areas.

78bronco
02-14-2009, 11:04 PM
looks real sweet mj and love that 77 front end!!!!!!!

m j
02-19-2009, 02:26 PM
slightly better pic
no progress on it
bought the steel for the rockers/sliders, 3x8 1/4wall

Explorer guy418
02-19-2009, 02:31 PM
she is lookin goood man. nice stance

patford
02-19-2009, 05:25 PM
Radius arm front and rear , what you use for bushing or heims ?

vajayjay
02-19-2009, 05:33 PM
:confused0006: I'm liking this build
even for a ford[cheers]

Troy
02-19-2009, 05:44 PM
haha, just jamming as many little propane tanks as you can on the back

stock up on razor knife blades yet?

m j
02-19-2009, 06:15 PM
Radius arm front and rear , what you use for bushing or heims ?

triangulated 4 links front and rear, CUrrie Johnny joints
have two Fox 14" coilovers, prolley gonna get two 2.5" FOAs for the front
that is about ride hieght, though the back is low there

that is one manifold tank, got it out of a huge Oldsmobile trunk

didnt get more Xacto blades, but I did buy more sawzall blades and another portaband blade

been working on fitting the intercooler, have to use the 3" thick one as it is tight in there.
just came in to grab the camera so might post a carnage pic of the rad support after it battled the hole saw and cutoff wheel :)

m j
02-19-2009, 06:19 PM
Radius arm front and rear , what you use for bushing or heims ?

Toyquad
02-19-2009, 06:26 PM
nice build and nice truck man!

m j
02-19-2009, 06:57 PM
I was thinking of cutting the rockers right at the white line, but it gets a lot easier to mount to the frame if I cut at the body line that is in the blue
rocker hieght will end up being only about an inch higher then stock uncut
still undecided

hacking for intercooler clearance
3"x12"x24" core size

fj401ton
02-19-2009, 08:44 PM
Looking good mike,that inter cooler looks blllling. If ya want to use the plasma, just let me know and I'll bring it to work [36].

m j
02-19-2009, 10:17 PM
its gonna fit fine

bigyellowbronco
02-20-2009, 02:18 AM
beautiful build... but you shouldnt weld straight up and down on the frame like that....always horizontal and or use a fishplate which is angled or curved like a semi-circle. just a little bit of constructive criticizm.

m j
02-20-2009, 09:26 AM
my welds are crooked so I should be fine

Punk in Drublic
02-20-2009, 03:39 PM
my welds are crooked so I should be fine


:happy0045: thats funny right there.

lovin the build, gives me dreams and aspirations for my 76

bigyellowbronco
02-22-2009, 03:20 AM
just tryin to help out a fellow FORD guy.

m j
02-22-2009, 10:19 AM
the guy that said he wanted the box backed out, so I will putting the axe to the long box to fit
this is gonna look cool :)

I need a DS plastic grill for this thing, mine was cracked, and then I dropped it while fitting the intercooler so it died.
if anyone has one lemme know please

Explorer guy418
02-22-2009, 10:52 AM
wickid man... cant wait to see the fit.... are u thinkin fovetail or anything?

Troy
02-22-2009, 11:53 AM
the guy that said he wanted the box backed out, so I will putting the axe to the long box to fit
this is gonna look cool :)

I need a DS plastic grill for this thing, mine was cracked, and then I dropped it while fitting the intercooler so it died.
if anyone has one lemme know please

like 35 bucks each at lordco

m j
02-22-2009, 12:05 PM
like 35 bucks each at lordco

for the 77?
if so, sweet! will call the Maple Ridge branch and see if Shelley can find them

Troy
02-22-2009, 12:10 PM
for the 77?
if so, sweet! will call the Maple Ridge branch and see if Shelley can find them

ya they are cheap. i checked the price cause im swapping my 77 grill onto my 79

Ginger Snaps
02-22-2009, 12:46 PM
rad mj summer wheeling is almost here!

patford
02-22-2009, 01:10 PM
You going to cut up that ranger box ? what sort shape is it in ,
would want to trade ?

m j
02-22-2009, 01:15 PM
You going to cut up that ranger box ? what sort shape is it in ,
would want to trade ?

it is in pretty good shape IMO, you are welcome to come look it over
what you got?

the lock for the tool box is corroded so the key doesnt go in it
the tool box is kinda in the way for my plans

m j
02-24-2009, 04:40 PM
starting the chop
image is huge sorry, new to photobucketing


http://i699.photobucket.com/albums/vv358/mjmillar/Feb23-09-005.jpg

Explorer guy418
02-24-2009, 05:05 PM
thats lookin pretty good..

78bronco
02-24-2009, 06:39 PM
looks good!!! do you need a windshelid??

m j
02-24-2009, 06:48 PM
got windshields,

need lessons in welding sheet metal :)
switched to .023 wire
made several rats nests with the tension set to high on the feeder

Ginger Snaps
02-24-2009, 07:32 PM
looks good!

Question will the turbo be a challenge for say crawling on some parts when you dont want wheel spin cause it will spool up and just roast tires? or is there someway to control it:dontknow:

m j
02-24-2009, 07:35 PM
dunno
there is a pedal attached to the throttle body that I am gonna use to control wheelspin :)

only time it should spool is under full throttle

theborges
02-24-2009, 07:43 PM
looking very sweet. grats

Ginger Snaps
02-24-2009, 07:44 PM
just a thought turbos as i have heard arnt very predictable but intrested to see how it works on the trail[36] [cheers]

m j
02-24-2009, 08:08 PM
just a thought turbos as i have heard arnt very predictable but intrested to see how it works on the trail[36] [cheers]

if it ever sees the trails :)

m j
02-24-2009, 08:12 PM
Borges I will answer your PM here in a couple of posts with pics, if that is ok?

the front 4link I bought a pair of axle brackets, I think the are BTF.
I hate them.

I did the front first, several times actually, links too long and I was unhappy with the lateral stability, so I redid it to where it is now
the frame side brackets I hand fabbed out of 3" angle and flat bar.
I plated the factory transmission crossmember with 3/16" to make a flat surface to glue my lower angle iron brackets to.

m j
02-24-2009, 08:16 PM
the uppers I used an existing frame hole to locate them evenly,
trimmed the angle iron to be 2.63 wide and bolted it on with a Joint to make sure it was lined up
weled the front
used a torch to heat it and bent the back to meet the frame.

m j
02-24-2009, 08:21 PM
rear axle lowers frame mount

3x8 1/4 wall box crossmember

m j
02-24-2009, 08:27 PM
rears
all hand made
frame clearance is a beatch

fj401ton
02-25-2009, 05:42 AM
front fenders look good [36], do you have enough room to fit 42's in there, or are ya going to have the wait and see approach

m j
02-25-2009, 10:01 AM
definitely a wait n see, with a willingness to hack more :)
never really played with sheet metal before, so still experimenting on how to roll the edges etc
been cutting an inch passed and bending a flange with channel locks
will get better the more I experiment
still too chicken to chop into the tub
will level the frame and cab today and see if I have the balls to cut into it :)

jonny6door
02-25-2009, 04:05 PM
:eek: :eek: you gotta be kidding me... your not actually using that flag pole as a link mount are you?
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m j
02-25-2009, 04:09 PM
you didnt really ruin a ford by making it 6 doors did you?

that flag pole makes 9" vert seperation at the axle end
if we look at some of the Pro parts like Ballistic fab http://www.ballisticfabrication.com/Link-Tower_p_1398.html, they all sell them so pick your favorite
they sell it in 3 hieghts 7", 8", and 9" measured from axle centerline
so incomparison mine would be similar to the 8" one

if you were a fan of the weird formula that the 4x4 mag set out, I would be a bit low the recommended seperation for 40" tires as they ask for 25% of tire diameter
I think there formula is total bullshit but hey it fits with my arguement this time so I will drag it out as fact.

Explorer guy418
02-25-2009, 04:31 PM
im with johnny on this one........?

m j
02-25-2009, 04:32 PM
you will like it less now then cause I am mounting my coilovers on top of it :)
it is the only way I could get the coilovers out to the end of the axle and have a chance at clearing the framerails

m j
02-26-2009, 01:00 PM
I will gladly entertain suggestions or criticisms
I love to learn, if you have something to teach I am all ears
I have thick skin and I am an asshole, so you will get back what you give
this is the internet so I dont take to much of it seriously.
I fully expect "that thing is a total piece of shit and I wouldnt let my worst enemy ride in it" and that is cool by me :) but add some pointers too please

link brackets are an exercise of compromise
you lay out your desires and then see what can fit with as few compromises as possible.
using an existing frame always gets in the way

my list of desires for the rear
- no frame chopping
___+ the frame above the axle is the biggest obstical to try and overcome
___+ ford axles are narrow, the frame is wide
- lower frame side brackets that were at worst no lower then the factory radius arm brackets
- axle side link mounts as wide as possible
___+ the tubing necks down so that adds a barrier for width
___+ the tire and rim clearance also set a limit
- coilover mounts as wide as possible
___+ this is the hardest to package but the most important goal
- minimize roll steer
___+ putting the uppers parallel to the ground at ride hieght make this happen
___+ frame side link placement create the axle mount hieght requirement
- instant center of the links as far forward as possible to reduce the changes over the range of travel
- axle side lower joints not below axle
- as low an antisquat as possible within the other items on the wishlist

if I removed the existing frame requirement I would have triangulated the uppers to above the dif center section
their mounted hieght would still be pretty close to the same as they are now
that would give me all the room I need to get the coilovers back down to the axle tube
looking at what happens when the axle rolls (articulates in crawler lingo) the coilovers still have to be mounted way high to stay outa the tire and meet the 'as wide as possible' criteria

yoda thrills
02-26-2009, 01:50 PM
good luck, she gone b a gooder

jonny6door
02-26-2009, 01:52 PM
i dont see why you went one link level with the axle and one 9"above?? would that be the same as each one 4.5" on top and bottom. it would be alot stronger because that link mount is going to have HUGE stresses on it, and with it but welded to the axle i cant see it lasting more than one trail. especially if you mount the coilovers on it. there is just no need to do that. mount them straight onto the axle.

heres how i did mine. before i added all the gussets to the mounts.

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a249/slammed91b5000/bajatires008.jpg
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Explorer guy418
02-26-2009, 01:57 PM
how far apart are your mounts johnny? from bolt to bolt... top to bottom if that helps lol

m j
02-26-2009, 02:09 PM
i dont see why you went one link level with the axle and one 9"above?? would that be the same as each one 4.5" on top and bottom. it would be alot stronger because that link mount is going to have HUGE stresses on it, and with it but welded to the axle i cant see it lasting more than one trail. especially if you mount the coilovers on it. there is just no need to do that. mount them straight onto the axle.

heres how i did mine. before i added all the gussets to the mounts.



the one I want no lower then the axle is for ground clearance, getting as few things to be hung up as possible.
the picture you are refering to is before I added gussets that also act as the bumpstop pad that is ~3" above the axle

on your picture I see the panhard mount is a long way below the frame rail
that is taking all of the lateral locating stress of the suspension and you have it glued to the bottom of a 3/16" frame channel

you have no framerail near your tire to limit where the coilover can mount.
I am trying to build this one as low as possible
the axle ends move sideways about 3-4" when it articulates, so with one side at full stuff and the other drooped out the coilover/link mount travels closer to the frame, and the top of the tire also gets closer to the frame
it is very tight in that area to say the least
a smart person would cut the frame out of the way, but I aint that smart yet and am under the delusion that I can make it fit.
the other option is to move the coilovers inboard of the frame which make the vehicle feel "tippyer" if that is a word

jonny6door
02-26-2009, 02:10 PM
mine are 5" up and 5" down from axle centerline. i did a parallel 4 link and hes doing triangulated 4 link. i hope you plan on running a panhard bar too mj. because without top and bottom being triangulated opposite directions and atleast 40-45 the axle is going to move side to side. as you have it right now only the bottom are triangulated.
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m j
02-26-2009, 02:10 PM
and to clarify, one link is less then 7" above the axle the other is above the bottom, the total seperation is ~9"

m j
02-26-2009, 02:11 PM
no panhard

jonny6door
02-26-2009, 02:14 PM
on your picture I see the panhard mount is a long way below the frame rail
that is taking all of the lateral locating stress of the suspension and you have it glued to the bottom of a 3/16" frame channel




which has been boxed and braced from the link mount to the opposite side frame rail which is also boxed. you have to box these frame rails if you weld anything bearing a load onto the top or bottom because they twist so bad.
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Explorer guy418
02-26-2009, 02:15 PM
i did a parallel 4 link and hes doing triangulated 4 link.
i know... im just thinkin for my next build.[36]

m j
02-26-2009, 02:15 PM
Johnny,
post a picture of yours with the DS rear at full droop and the PS at full compression.
curious to see if the coilover clears the panhard mount.

jonny6door
02-26-2009, 02:21 PM
dont have any pics of that. the tires rub the coils a little bit at full compression. bairly enuf to rub the paint off the coil in 2 years. that could easilly be silved with a 1/2 inch wheel spacer. but at no point( full compression/droop/artictulation both ways) does the coilover touch the frame.
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m j
02-26-2009, 02:23 PM
I dont need a panhard, the combined angle exceed 45°

jonny6door
02-26-2009, 02:24 PM
also my truck is not setup that tall anymore. that was for the mud one weekend 3 years ago. since then its lowered way down and the panhard is alot flatter which has a lot less side to side movement as the suspension cycles.
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jonny6door
02-26-2009, 02:28 PM
here is a more recent picture you can see how much flatter it is and how low the truck is. there is very minimal side to side of the axle as the suspension moves.
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m j
02-26-2009, 02:48 PM
oh yeah I like that pic a lot

Troy
02-26-2009, 06:07 PM
thats wicked, that bumpers off a semi isn't it

jonny6door
02-26-2009, 06:41 PM
thats wicked, that bumpers off a semi isn't it

yeah but i got about 10 hrs into making it fit onto my truck. it used to be straight so i bent it so it looks like \___/ and made mounts and everything. its pretty sweet now. made from 1/2" aluminum plate.
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fj401ton
03-02-2009, 02:58 PM
just wondering if ya fell asleep, where are the pics of the boat sides and the damage from the multi types of cutting, shop catch fire and destroy the camera. still have all you're digits? I heard something was happening, but nothing:confused0006:.

m j
03-02-2009, 05:46 PM
chop chop

http://i699.photobucket.com/albums/vv358/mjmillar/mar1-09-003.jpg

http://i699.photobucket.com/albums/vv358/mjmillar/mar1-09-004.jpg

http://i699.photobucket.com/albums/vv358/mjmillar/mar1-09-005.jpg

http://i699.photobucket.com/albums/vv358/mjmillar/mar1-09-006.jpg

http://i699.photobucket.com/albums/vv358/mjmillar/mar1-09-008.jpg

http://i699.photobucket.com/albums/vv358/mjmillar/mar1-09-010.jpg

http://i699.photobucket.com/albums/vv358/mjmillar/mar1-09-011.jpg

Explorer guy418
03-02-2009, 05:49 PM
lookin good.....

patford
03-02-2009, 06:39 PM
Hey getten lots done when you going to show up at my place ?

Troy
03-02-2009, 07:50 PM
oh no you almost cut your seat belt light wire off!!:eek:

pheeew[2a] close one dude. go easy on the old girl, think of what all the guys on ford trucks would say about cutting up a nice cab like that

Punk in Drublic
03-02-2009, 10:42 PM
i was gonna say, i got a cab ya coulda had, ya woulda cut all the rust outa it by now. lookin awsome though, cant wait to see the finished project.[cheers]

fj401ton
03-03-2009, 06:12 AM
nice, ubber fantastic cutting skilz [36]looking good mj :)

m j
03-03-2009, 02:58 PM
not as good as a guy I know that wields a gas cutoff saw but it might work out.

PiD I need another cab.
my brother has a bronco project down to the bare frame right now too.
he is eyeballing mine and is debating swapping to a pickup cab too.

Explorer guy418
03-03-2009, 03:12 PM
what is ride height gunna be....

B
03-03-2009, 03:14 PM
it's not gonna work ...

shoulda just put a jeep body on it ... [f] ....


:vroam:

m j
03-03-2009, 03:16 PM
post #48 is pretty much ride hieght
only building 4" of up travel
puts over 30" under the rock sliders, and I think it was 22" (edit- measured it at 19") or so under the lowest link bracket in the center at ride hieght

m j
03-03-2009, 03:17 PM
it's not gonna work ...

shoulda just put a jeep body on it ... [f] ....


:vroam:


that makes sense, why stress the jackstands with a heavy ford body when a tin can Heep will be lighterer