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Dirtybert
03-27-2008, 04:16 PM
looking into what it would take to do a SAS on a 96 taco, first question, toy front axle or D44 what is stronger/ reliable?

England
03-27-2008, 04:18 PM
dana 44 cheaper and more of them around !!! easy to get upgrade ..But ive heard that toy axles when built can be as strong as a 60

HEAVY METAL
03-27-2008, 04:18 PM
toy... no ball joints yo...

HEAVY METAL
03-27-2008, 04:19 PM
dana 44 cheaper and more of them around !!! easy to get upgrade ..But ive heard that toy axles when built can be as strong as a 60


ummm what you know about buildin trucks :dontknow: .. stick too what ya know.. kiwi's...yo

epic3
03-27-2008, 04:19 PM
toy fo sho dude

England
03-27-2008, 04:21 PM
ummm what you know about buildin trucks :dontknow: .. stick too what ya know.. kiwi's...yo


yo yo yo yo yo ..um ...yo ..but yo ... i was right yo yo ..ha ha I just called yer a yo yo :D

dirka dave
03-27-2008, 04:31 PM
Both are strong, I have stock axles in my 82 toy and an ARB locker w/529 gears. :D

toyon35s
03-27-2008, 04:34 PM
toy diffs are strong as hell,axle size is just about the same size a a chev 3/4tons a d44 is 1/2ton i belive[cheers]

460toyota
03-27-2008, 05:15 PM
go with the toy axles unless you want the full width i use to run stock axles with a very strong 350 and 40" boggers and didnt break a single front axle in 5 years running it i went through 3 rears though but thats a whole different story and as for the 3/4 to 1/2 ton they are the same axles the only difference is the 3/4 has bigger brakes and have 8 lugs insted of 6

B
03-27-2008, 05:20 PM
toy diffs are strong as hell,axle size is just about the same size a a chev 3/4tons a d44 is 1/2ton i belive[cheers]


the chev 3/4 ton is a dana 44 the 10 bolt is the 1/2 ton and obvoiusly the 60 is the one ton ... the main problem with toys is the small ring gear the other problems can be fixed with trussing 6 shooter knuckles and longfields ...

the problems with the 44's is balljoints and width's to fit ur application u got to remeber most of the toy's are making alot less power so bounceing off the rev limiter doesn't break stuff as fast as something with sum torque ...

other than that u will have lover's and hater's both ways

my 2c

redman
03-27-2008, 05:23 PM
i would go with a built toy axel

Deathtrap
03-27-2008, 07:09 PM
Toy axle gets my vote.

Toyquad
03-27-2008, 07:31 PM
yeah go with a toy axle........ i'd like to see that driveline angle............... seeing how the pumpkin on taco's are on the driver side.



but if it was possible i'd take a toy axle anyday. unless of course you put a 60 up front.

Murd0c
03-27-2008, 08:11 PM
Yep toy axle, yes theres issues with the r&p but thats why alot of guys go with 4.88's and dual cases since there stronger then the 529's.

Also you have to think about the rear as well, with a toy axles you could keep the rear toy axle and won't have to worry about width issues. and the biggest thing of all is Trail gears SAS kit for $1200 comes with everything you need for the front encluding high steer. Which you can't get someone to fab up this basicly bolt/weld for even close to that ammount. You can pick to get a 3-5" lift with the kit and you just need to lift the rear and you will be good to go

longs with the cromo hub gears, ARP knuckle and hub studs from front range or trail gear and you don't have to worry about your front end at all (guys are running 42's with this set up on buggys)

jakerngr
03-27-2008, 08:12 PM
44 .

brothergrimms
03-27-2008, 08:43 PM
or go with a 44 old school that has close knunkles king pin style [36]

killer toy
03-27-2008, 08:55 PM
id got toy with longs...


but unless u are changing t cases too


96+ tacos and runnners are driverside drop


toy solid axels are passenger



call terren at bcc he has done a few 96+ runners(same design) using 44's


[cheers]

Toyquad
03-27-2008, 09:07 PM
id got toy with longs...


but unless u are changing t cases too


96+ tacos and runnners are driverside drop


toy solid axels are passenger



call terren at bcc he has done a few 96+ runners(same design) using 44's


[cheers]


maybe they'll listen to you, i pointed that out earlier, but that didnt stop a couple people from saying to go with a toy axle.

1tontoy
03-27-2008, 09:51 PM
Drop aside, both have benefits and drawbacks. Gearing kind of sucks for the Toy diffs. You can go from 5.29's down to the lower 5.71's, but the pinion will shear like butter. Even 5.29s are iffy in most applications where there is more reduction from dual cases and/or lower gears in the case. 4.88's are what I prefer if it matters at all. It is also only available in one width, which can be altered slightly with wheel spacers, but only to a certain degree.

With the upgrades available, you can turn the Toy diff into an almost builtproof unit. Longs and after market gears make it extremely strong. The 3rd's design gives it some strength over conventional designs, similar to the Ford 9".

The Dana 44 is available in multiple widths, with different knuckles, and pinions. A Ford 44 is a driver drop Hi pinion unit, with flat top knuckles, and offered with 5 on 5.5 bolt pattern. They were also used in most 3/4 ton applications, up until 1980.

The GM version of the Dana 44's, contrary to what has been posted in this thread previously, were offered in both the 1/2 ton and 3/4 ton models. One was a 6 lug pattern, similar to the Toy, and the other an 8 lug pattern. These were offered until 1979/80 also, and most had flat top knuckles as well. The GM 10 bolt was offered after the 44, in both 1/2 ton and 3/4 ton applications, with flattop knuckles.

The biggest advantage of the 44's is gearing. You can go to 5.86's for sure, and possibly deeper as well. There are plenty of great locker options available, as well as after market shafts, like Moser's. Coupled with some good joints, like CTM's, or Bobby's 300M's, you shouldn't have too many problems.

My opinion would be to find a HP Ford D44 out of a 78-79 Bronco. It can be narrowed to fit your application, and the turning radius on them is something else.

The Toy diff is a great diff, but won't work for you as pointed out unless you change your t-case at the very least.

Just my $0.02. But what do I know. I'm from Alberta.

Kingblazer84
03-27-2008, 10:19 PM
1 tons then V8 swap nuff said lol birfs can only last for so long drive on em till you get a good set of 1 tons

GOT MUD
03-27-2008, 10:19 PM
definitly a toy diff is the way to go. i've beat the shit out of my diffs with horse power in the mud and they just ask for more. so ther ya have it, buy a toy diff

killer toy
03-27-2008, 11:47 PM
maybe they'll listen to you, i pointed that out earlier, but that didnt stop a couple people from saying to go with a toy axle.


i saw that but i saw ppl still goin at it.... just thought id re-mention it.


sorry forgot to give u the credit[cheers]

1 tons then V8 swap nuff said lol birfs can only last for so long drive on em till you get a good set of 1 tons

ive seen toy diffs with longs.and aftemaket knuckles out last stock 1 tons
bang to buck u can build a toy diff for alot cheaper than a 1ton


bye the way not a toy guy.... and im goin one tons....

Maelthra
03-28-2008, 12:22 AM
But what do I know. I'm from Alberta.

:happy0045:

1tontoy
03-28-2008, 12:48 AM
Hey Mael>>>>>asshole2 go fuck yourself


I got a buddy who is die hard Toy axle versus D60. I give him credit when he says his Longfields are better than a D60. But only in its stock form. Mine is cromo'd all the way, and has the best of the best in it. A toy axle done up won't touch that. But like it was said, its definetly cheaper to build the 8".

And, Longfields or not, that same Toy diff won't last a weekend under my rig. I'd hit the gas coming off the trailer and grenade it. There is a reason why they put Toy diffs under 1/4 tons, and D60's under 1 tons.

Going the other way, stuffing a D60 under a Toy, it will last as long as it is maintained. Same as a Toy diff. And, like the author wanted to know, a D44 will last a good while also.

toyon35s
03-28-2008, 10:01 AM
downey has a d60 conversion kit that turns a toy diff into a 60 now,cost around 2000$ but would make a damn near bullet proof diff[cheers]

B
03-28-2008, 10:15 AM
the chev 3/4 ton is a dana 44 the 10 bolt is the 1/2 ton and obvoiusly the 60 is the one ton ... the main problem with toys is the small ring gear the other problems can be fixed with trussing 6 shooter knuckles and longfields ...

the problems with the 44's is balljoints and width's to fit ur application u got to remeber most of the toy's are making alot less power so bounceing off the rev limiter doesn't break stuff as fast as something with sum torque ...

other than that u will have lover's and hater's both ways

my 2c



i forgot about the swaping outer's for bolt patterns over the years my bad ...

609 bert .... dana 60 outer's and a 9" center all the cool kids are doing it [36] [cheers]

Kinslayer
03-28-2008, 10:55 AM
Hey, speaking of D60 knuckles..anyone see these fockin units?

http://www.spidertrax.com/s.nl/sc.7/category.192/.f


http://www.spidertrax.com/core/media/media.nl?id=1020&c=407909&h=e3dd0891b63efdfce2ed
http://www.spidertrax.com/core/media/media.nl?id=5914&c=407909&h=342c10ec60c855f51804

HEAVY METAL
03-28-2008, 11:20 AM
no, but i seen ur mom.....

1tontoy
03-28-2008, 11:28 AM
no, but i seen ur mom.....

Too bad I didn't know you guys better. Otherwise I could say something witty like, Heavy, I told you to stay the hell away from my house late at night when his mom's over.

As it is, I'll just have to pull the drapes from now on.

HEAVY METAL
03-28-2008, 11:30 AM
Too bad I didn't know you guys better. Otherwise I could say something witty like, Heavy, I told you to stay the hell away from my house late at night when his mom's over.

As it is, I'll just have to pull the drapes from now on.


[36] [36] [36] ur getin the humour....[cheers]


some poeple just dont get it...yo[16]

Kinslayer
03-28-2008, 11:47 AM
no, but i seen ur mom.....

i'd be more willing to pay money for the knuckles..but to each his own I guess eh?

kamloopsyota
03-28-2008, 12:15 PM
all pro has a nice kit for the SAS

http://allprooffroad.com/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=80

brothergrimms
03-28-2008, 12:59 PM
yes kins i have there 60 degree knuckles[36] [36]

Kinslayer
03-28-2008, 01:02 PM
yes kins i have there 60 degree knuckles[36] [36]

Sweet..i'd like to see those units in action

Dirtybert
03-28-2008, 03:59 PM
thanks for all your replys guys. to run a toy dif i hear there is an adapter to put on a 95+ tacoma, and older style t/c that will drop on the passenger side. I guess this is why so many op for the D44 but it sure would be great to run a toy dif.

kamloopsyota
03-28-2008, 07:15 PM
too lazy to read, is that what you were refering to dirtybert?

http://www.marlincrawler.com/htm/transfercase/taco_box.htm

Dirtybert
03-31-2008, 10:16 PM
too lazy to read, is that what you were refering to dirtybert?

http://www.marlincrawler.com/htm/transfercase/taco_box.htm

ya kinda like that. i could also do an axle flip. Is there anyone one the site thats done one with a toy axle?
http://www.ttora.com/forum/showthread.php?t=88979
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e37/33JJ/toy%20front/toyfront023-1.jpg

d0ubledown
03-31-2008, 10:44 PM
stock, id go toy, and either go gear driven tcase to run PS diff, or if you want to say DS diff, do a FJ60 axle flip, or a mini truck axle flip if you want to keep gearsets the same although its quite a lot narrower. go wider with the 60 axles.

not stock: diamond with 80 center & outers, and longs. but thats some big coin, but you can choose which side the diff is on.

easiest: waggy D44 with inchworms lefty.

FZJ80
04-05-2008, 07:32 PM
How much are you willing to pay for a housing with the drop on the correct side? I think it can be done without to much trouble and maybe even to the width you need without spacers. I've done a little measuring and i'm sure one can be made using stock Toyota parts.