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Peter
05-01-2007, 01:16 PM
Hello!

I am considering getting a 4x4....

Anybody got any advice on what make/model would be a good basis to start with?

[cheers]

epic3
05-01-2007, 01:21 PM
drive mine for me so we can go wheeling



aside from that this is the worst place to ask that question

jeep guys will say a jeep
ford guys will say a ford
chev guys will say chev
ect ect ect
buy a used older truck or in your case suv thats not to rotten or beaten on and get somethin that is cheaply and readily supported by the aftermarket cus you aint gonna engineer all your own upgrades on your first truck.
Also consider where you want to go with it what you expect from it and such










then buy my bronco

Murd0c
05-01-2007, 03:16 PM
all depends what u want to use it for. and what you like

crazylike
05-01-2007, 03:50 PM
get a older dodge lotsa parts around cheap. easy to work on. easy to lift.

BrokenToy
05-01-2007, 03:58 PM
i am biased but would have to save toyota. good durability

m j
05-01-2007, 04:25 PM
to bad toyotas frame rot badly, other then that a 1985 or older is a great place to start for a little 4 banger
other then that I am partial to solid axle broncos for the coil spring front end
given time and tools and $$ you can make anything a good wheeler

Tunabomber
05-01-2007, 04:38 PM
dont realy matter man what brand just look for a few key things

like

solid axels
good clearence
coils are nice but leafs are cheap


oh and hope ya gots a big bank acc

shawnw
05-01-2007, 05:59 PM
buy my truck. It's on propane so it's cheap to run. It's a regular cab so it's not too long and it already has tires and a winch on it.

Jeep Victim
05-01-2007, 07:05 PM
Just find something in your price range right now,buy it wheel it break it.It doesn't matter what you get it won't do everything you want anyway ,they never do.It won't go as far as you want ,,it won't be geared low enough,it won't have enough power blah,blah,blah.Find something,you can build anything.That's where you start.

Apathy
05-01-2007, 07:09 PM
Just find something in your price range right now,buy it wheel it break it.It doesn't matter what you get it won't do everything you want anyway ,they never do.It won't go as far as you want ,,it won't be geared low enough,it won't have enough power blah,blah,blah.Find something,you can build anything.That's where you start.

:s30x: :s30x:

titan
05-01-2007, 09:38 PM
Look at the aftermarket support. Generally this means Jeep, especially TJ/YJ/CJs, american full size, old toyota pickups and 4runners, suzuki samurais and even sidekicks.

Solid front axles are preferrable to independent front suspension.

Really a 4runner wouldn't be any better than a Isuzu trooper if it weren't for the aftermarket. If you want to get bigger tires you'll need a lift, if you want a lift it's nice to have a selection of aftermarket companies to buy simple bolts ons even a novice can do to bigger suspension replacement kits.

weiser
05-01-2007, 10:21 PM
I was gonna say this and that but[j] everyone bet me too it!
Lot-a-good advice!
Pick one and get out there[cheers]

m j
05-01-2007, 10:26 PM
Jeeps flat out suck
there is not a single good feature on a jeep
engines? marginal
transmissions? junk
transfer cases? the d300 is the only one that isnt junk
difs? please they are total junk
frames have issues
body tubs rust faster then a toyota frame
the less jeep in a jeep the better it is

Murd0c
05-01-2007, 11:00 PM
to bad toyotas frame rot badly, other then that a 1985 or older is a great place to start for a little 4 banger
other then that I am partial to solid axle broncos for the coil spring front end
given time and tools and $$ you can make anything a good wheeler

thats why I would say a 3rd gen p/u body lift will fit 33's good ride IFS but will get you where you need to. good for a first vehicle until you decide what you want

Peter
05-02-2007, 10:14 AM
So a Jeep or a Old Toyota?

What kind of money do I have to spend to get a solid base?
My Price range is small:
$800 - $1000

I want to be able to destroy the truck and not feel bad the next day

norm
05-02-2007, 10:16 AM
LADA




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MUD CHILD
05-02-2007, 10:22 AM
So a Jeep or a Old Toyota?

What kind of money do I have to spend to get a solid base?
My Price range is small:
$800 - $1000

I want to be able to destroy the truck and not feel bad the next day

you will not find anything great in that price, so just buy what you can beat the shit out of it and have fun while doing it[cheers]

Murd0c
05-02-2007, 01:56 PM
So a Jeep or a Old Toyota?

What kind of money do I have to spend to get a solid base?
My Price range is small:
$800 - $1000

I want to be able to destroy the truck and not feel bad the next day

FOR THAT PRICE I would go with a late 80's jeep cherokee xj. something that will get u around 4 doors and lots of parts out there [cheers]

epic3
05-02-2007, 02:08 PM
two door ones are better if you can find one theres more room to trim the fenders for larger tires

Kinslayer
05-02-2007, 03:01 PM
FOR THAT PRICE I would go with a late 80's jeep cherokee xj. something that will get u around 4 doors and lots of parts out there [cheers]

Word up. I'm a Chev guy and i'm saying get a Jeep XJ. Cheap, lots of em, run forever. Easy to modify. Cargo room.

Either that or try to find a samurai for cheap. Cargo room isn't there but they are good on gas and wheel well out of the box.

m j
05-02-2007, 03:21 PM
the ford explorers are out there in that price range
dunno why but I see them dirt cheap all the time
I would never send a guy to a jeep for a first 4x4 unless I wanted him to stay outa the sport

Peter
05-02-2007, 03:41 PM
ok how much would it cost for something that wouldn't fall apart on my first 4x4 camping/hiking/adventure?

Kinslayer
05-02-2007, 03:42 PM
the ford explorers are out there in that price range
dunno why but I see them dirt cheap all the time
I would never send a guy to a jeep for a first 4x4 unless I wanted him to stay outa the sport

I wouldn't send a guy towards a ford because the first thing everyone says is "SAS!". I say Jeep because they are the only reasonably priced, new models available trucks that have solid front axles.

Admittedly some of the jeep stuff is a little pinner for the size of truck (IE, an XJ with a Dana 30 ..) But it seems to get the job done. The people who really diss on jeeps don't really have an argument other than "Jeeps suck buy a toyota" for the most part.

Peter
05-02-2007, 04:05 PM
drive mine for me so we can go wheeling

then buy my bronco

Rules of Engagement when Phil's Friend:
1) Don't Do what Phil tells you to do.
2) Do not pass out infront of Phil if he is wide awake.


:s30x:

Murd0c
05-02-2007, 04:07 PM
ok how much would it cost for something that wouldn't fall apart on my first 4x4 camping/hiking/adventure?


buy and sell, bc4x4 what ever deals are around. Just need to find the right one. I bought one for $250 before warlord drove through the front windshield and I still sold it for $300 as is. best bet is to hunt around and try to low ball someone. It's awlays good to see what other vehicle they have cause they could be asking $1500 but if they have a new vehicle they may just want get rid of it right away

Flashless
05-02-2007, 04:11 PM
Rules of Engagement when Phil's Friend:
1) Don't Do what Phil tells you to do.
2) Do not pass out infront of Phil if he is wide awake.


:s30x:


never ever listen to Phil
never follow Phils directions , it takes 12 hours to get somewhere when it should take 2:vroam:

epic3
05-02-2007, 05:15 PM
bla bla bla freakin BLA!!

m j
05-02-2007, 05:53 PM
jeep isnt a truck.
dodge and ford both still offer solid axle trucks, jeep doesn't and hasn't for a very long time
I hate jeeps and have a lot more then 'jeeps suck' to add to that
$ for $ a toyota is a far better choice, and I do not like toyotas either so it is best of 2 evils for me.
honestly my first thought whenever someone says they bought a jeep is something like "you poor bastard you got ripped off badly"

Peter
05-02-2007, 06:07 PM
thanks for the honesty MJ!

UU
05-02-2007, 08:07 PM
jeep isnt a truck.
dodge and ford both still offer solid axle trucks, jeep doesn't and hasn't for a very long time
I hate jeeps and have a lot more then 'jeeps suck' to add to that
$ for $ a toyota is a far better choice, and I do not like toyotas either so it is best of 2 evils for me.
honestly my first thought whenever someone says they bought a jeep is something like "you poor bastard you got ripped off badly"

WOW, remind me never to help you out of a hole [16]

epic3
05-02-2007, 08:22 PM
Hey Pete have you thought of gettin a new rubicon jeep?
You could probably afford the monthly especialy if ya ditched to honda

m j
05-02-2007, 09:31 PM
WOW, remind me never to help you out of a hole [16]

will do

Redneck Cowgirl
05-02-2007, 09:38 PM
FORD[cheers] drive what ever you like, then build it as you break it:confused0006:

HillBillyLincoln
05-02-2007, 10:23 PM
wasn't there a toyota on here for sale? around $2000?. Looked like a good start for this guy.

titan
05-02-2007, 11:59 PM
So a Jeep or a Old Toyota?

What kind of money do I have to spend to get a solid base?
My Price range is small:
$800 - $1000

I want to be able to destroy the truck and not feel bad the next day

For that price get something pre-built, but only used, not abused. Once you start pricing out 35" tires and wheels you can easily spend $500 per corner! And you still need to lift it. And buy it in the first place... If you're patient you can probably find something with a mild lift that wasn't thrashed on. Take whatever you can get or you'll be waiting until autumn :P

If you can afford to be picky the best 4x4 totally depends on what you want to do with it. Want to do big mud pits in the open? Look towards an old full size with a big v8. Want to do tight trials? Go for a Samurai. Want to camp with a bunch of gear or sleep in your vehicle? Go for a Cherokee or old toyota pick up with canopy. Want the best jack of all trade 4x4? Get a CJ/YJ/TJ.

If you don't need a ton of cargo room for camping then you can get Samurais in that price range, they go everywhere, are easy to work on, and have tons of offroad support. I'd say they're the best low buck 4x4 you can get. Stock they're very good, but for $325 (plus shocks, ~$60) each you can get a 6" lift from Breeze in Coquitlam and fit 32" tires and then you'll be able to go just about anywhere no problem. Putting 32" tires on a samurai is like putting 37" on a full size, only 32" tires are affordable.

If you want something that can haul more cargo look for an early toyota pickup (pre 85 with a solid front axle) or Jeep Cherokee (XJ).

There are other excellent vehicles like YJs, TJs, 4runners, etc, but I don't think you'll find a decent one of those in your price range unless you've got connections for parts and are going to do all the labour for making it work on your own.

surreysinner
05-03-2007, 02:44 AM
For that kind of price range i would type in 4x4 in www.buysell.com and just buy what seems best cuz for that price your not going to get a fuck of a lot.

Jeep Victim
05-03-2007, 06:07 AM
For 800 bucks buy yourself a mountain bike.

Peter
05-03-2007, 09:19 AM
Hey Pete have you thought of gettin a new rubicon jeep?
You could probably afford the monthly especialy if ya ditched to honda

READ!

I want to be able to destroy it and not feel bad.
one thing I've learned about the automotive hobby world is always have a daily driver as back up and do what ever you want with your project car(s)/truck(s)

Good info! thanks alot guys!

So far I've got these choices:
1) Old Samurai
2) Old Toyota
3) Old Jeep XJ
4) $800 Mountain Bike? - How about a quad?
5) Hiking Boots [15]

epic3
05-03-2007, 11:48 AM
READ!

I want to be able to destroy it and not feel bad.
one thing I've learned about the automotive hobby world is always have a daily driver as back up and do what ever you want with your project car(s)/truck(s)

Good info! thanks alot guys!

So far I've got these choices:
1) Old Samurai
2) Old Toyota
3) Old Jeep XJ
4) $800 Mountain Bike? - How about a quad?
5) Hiking Boots [15]

can you reach your laces over your gut?

Peter
05-03-2007, 03:21 PM
can you reach your laces over your gut?

I got people for that job.

Did you and Derek ever make it to the top of Grouse Grind?:confused0006:

epic3
05-03-2007, 03:57 PM
I got people for that job.

Did you and Derek ever make it to the top of Grouse Grind?:confused0006:

it's still closed. you in?
I've been gettin ready chasin one bus at a time

surreysinner
05-04-2007, 12:53 AM
If you get a little more cash get a quad they go anywhere and are more reliable usually. Lot more fun in my books too.

toyon35s
05-04-2007, 12:59 AM
thats because your trucks always broke

Jeep Victim
05-04-2007, 06:16 AM
Took my jeep on some quad trails last weekend.Now that was a blast. Member in good standing of the "Sensitive Mutant Jeep Owners Assoc."

bakelite
05-04-2007, 12:17 PM
okay....mj don't like the Jeeps. :eek: ;)

epic3
05-04-2007, 12:38 PM
If you get a little more cash get a quad they go anywhere and are more reliable usually. Lot more fun in my books too.

Ya still need a truck to get the quad around

Flashless
05-04-2007, 12:53 PM
I got people for that job.

Did you and Derek ever make it to the top of Grouse Grind?:confused0006:

Derek and Phil doing the Grouse grind, now that is a sight I would pay to see...


:happy0045:

epic3
05-04-2007, 02:30 PM
Derek and Phil doing the Grouse grind, now that is a sight I would pay to see...


:happy0045:

Soooooooo






















blown the dust off that gym pass yet:confused0006:

Flashless
05-04-2007, 02:31 PM
yup thanks for asking
how bout you?

epic3
05-04-2007, 02:34 PM
yup thanks for asking
how bout you?

runnin every day































after the bus:cool:

Flashless
05-04-2007, 02:35 PM
haha

dont forget all the lifting you do


with your arm and a beer i mean :)

epic3
05-04-2007, 02:49 PM
how does my beer fetish pertain to Peters rookie question?

Flashless
05-04-2007, 02:56 PM
it dosent

how does running after the bus pertain to Petes 4x4??




Pete , you should get a burban ....

Peter
05-05-2007, 10:35 AM
I think I'm getting a quad

titan
05-07-2007, 08:13 PM
Quads are good. Lots of fun, especially in the summer.

Not as fun as something with a roof and windsheild when it's cold and raining though.

bobbyboucher69
05-07-2007, 09:49 PM
You should buy my bronco its on 38"s and ready to go cheap

Peter
05-08-2007, 12:44 PM
how much?

bobbyboucher69
05-08-2007, 05:04 PM
$1900

B
05-08-2007, 05:06 PM
renmember u get what u pay for come give my toy a test drive just needs a locker to get u in real trouble :)

Pegleg
05-11-2007, 07:31 PM
cheap toyotas are cool