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Troy
12-03-2006, 08:48 PM
well i picked up another truck...1977 Ford F250 ,351M, 4 speed, dana 60's front and rear, married np205, bald boggers in back, almost bald Michelin's in the front....runs fine but both driveshafts are snapped picked er up cheap[36]
oh and has 4:10 gears i was told

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harleyfatboy99ca
12-03-2006, 08:58 PM
sweet truck........[cheers]

Troy
12-03-2006, 09:15 PM
sweet truck........[cheers]

thanks dude...its big and ugly...just the way i like em (trucks only) girls...prefer the slimmer ones and better looking[15]

Missy's Jimmy
12-03-2006, 09:18 PM
sweet truck [36]

the_balls
12-03-2006, 09:37 PM
looks like there's some good potential there

ottoman
12-03-2006, 09:45 PM
dude, your bald swampers in the front are not swampers. they are bald michelin militaries

Ginger Snaps
12-03-2006, 10:49 PM
[stupid] [36] still kool give me the dana 60:cool:

Burge
12-03-2006, 11:31 PM
looks like a good purchase

m j
12-04-2006, 01:02 AM
and that 351W looks like a 351m
are you sure it is a ford?

jblplatinumcompaq
12-04-2006, 01:04 AM
what did you pay for it?

nykoma
12-04-2006, 04:17 AM
either way its looks like a great find. ii thought 351 W's mostly came in LTD's and Thunderbirds and Cargo Vans, with C-4's on the end of them[cheers]

Ginger Snaps
12-04-2006, 07:02 AM
yeah that does look like a 351m

wade and cleatus
12-04-2006, 10:35 AM
Nice find!
Didnt 351m's come with a 2bbl?

coreyg8
12-04-2006, 02:43 PM
I want one of those so bad[27]

fordcarnage
12-04-2006, 03:10 PM
nice truck...i need one of those for a project

Wagz
12-04-2006, 04:48 PM
Beauty truck, has everything u need in it already.

Troy
12-04-2006, 06:12 PM
dude, your bald swampers in the front are not swampers. they are bald michelin militaries

ya i just found that out today in the daylight...guy told me there were swampers..dont really care cause shits comin off anyways

Troy
12-04-2006, 06:14 PM
Nice find!
Didnt 351m's come with a 2bbl?

ya it probably is a 351M and it has a 2 barrel on it right now...put a drive shaft in it today and fired it up, but its not getting gas anymore and it ran fine out at the guys place a month ago but i cant figure out which tank is hooked up or not[27] [27]

Daveforded
12-04-2006, 06:30 PM
no man the cleaveland came in most cars and vans the windsor in most trucks and the modified too but usually the modifieds are in broncos but either way looks sweet man!

wade and cleatus
12-05-2006, 01:17 PM
When i was a kid my folks had this big ass ltd, it was an old ghost car and it had the 351m in it. That big ugly pos whent like stink!!

4doorShorty
12-05-2006, 05:06 PM
the 351M/400 is definately an under rated engine....theyre just a bigger better cleveland for trucks.

RebelRacing
12-05-2006, 05:36 PM
wicked score dude! i love it when you find cool truck for cheap.. and then find out its got good stuff like a 60 in the front. haha...

as far as what engine came in what.. the most common engine in 77-79s is definetly the 351/400m.. which is not a bigger better cleveland. it is based on the cleveland, but has a stronger block and MUCH crappier heads.. i've never seen a 73-79 come with a 351w. i know that doesnt mean its not possible. but still.. we've got like 10 of them outside, and hundreds more at "the farm"..

4doorShorty
12-05-2006, 06:14 PM
it is a much bigger better cleveland. Just not from factory. You get way more deck height and longer rods than a C, is what I meant. The heads arent far off from a 2v 351c, the M series just have thermactor provisions which restrict flow a bit. We discussed this in the last thread, which explains my lack of detail in the last post I made.

Troy
12-05-2006, 06:18 PM
it is a much bigger better cleveland. Just not from factory. You get way more deck height and longer rods than a C, is what I meant. The heads arent far off from a 2v 351c, the M series just have thermactor provisions which restrict flow a bit. We discussed this in the last thread, which explains my lack of detail in the last post I made.

haahh yes! i was waiting for you to post something....my other one (the 79) already has a edelbrock carb, edelbrock performer intake and headers and it actually runs pretty well took er for a spin in the snow and got stuck cause the hubs dont work but my 77 has an 2 barrel and factory intake and exhaust, probably gonna keep the 77 because of the dana 60 and hop the engine up a bit

4doorShorty
12-05-2006, 06:28 PM
lol yeah. Man find a 400 crank and pistons and rebuild the engine in the 79 into a 400, then drop it in the 77. The performer is a good intake for that engine. Theres a guy who makes a 434" stroker kit for the 351m/400...should hear the dyno video of that thing, its badass.

Legend
12-05-2006, 06:29 PM
has the 60 been swaped in are you sure its not a heavy duty 44 if its a factory 60 its not the same as a 78 79 hp 60 it will have smaller shafts and hubs and be lp

Troy
12-05-2006, 06:46 PM
has the 60 been swaped in are you sure its not a heavy duty 44 if its a factory 60 its not the same as a 78 79 hp 60 it will have smaller shafts and hubs and be lp

ya dont know if its been swapped in but i know that the 77 and prior dana 60's had dana 44 size shafts but the housing and gears are 60 size

Troy
12-05-2006, 07:20 PM
lol yeah. Man find a 400 crank and pistons and rebuild the engine in the 79 into a 400, then drop it in the 77. The performer is a good intake for that engine. Theres a guy who makes a 434" stroker kit for the 351m/400...should hear the dyno video of that thing, its badass.

you dont think the motor in the 77 is any good? or just use the 79 motor because its already got work done to it and 400 cylinder heads? But i read on some websites about the 351/400's that the 400 cylinder heads are bigger but lower the compression and the way the exhaust ports are shaped, carbon builds up on the bottom of the port.

4doorShorty
12-05-2006, 08:14 PM
I just meant you could drive the 77 while building the engine out of the 79. Then swap each for one another. The M heads do have a couple cc bigger chambers. Clevelands are in the lower mid 70 cc area, and the m block ones are in the higher mid 70s. Like 73-76 for the c, and 75-78 for the M. Actual port shape is the same, but the thermactor passages in the M takes up some of the exhuast port. You could just port the M head and mill it down a bit....if you were going to rebuild one engine I mean.

Claveland 4x4
12-07-2006, 06:10 PM
M's better than a Cleveland?? Certianly not in stock form thats for sure! Really, in my opinion, the best thing to do is either put a 400M crank & rods in a Cleveland OR put early Cleveland heads (yes even the 2bbl ones) with aftermarket cam, pistons, headers, 4bbl intake and carb in a 400M. Dont have to use Cleveland heads tho.. i believe Eddy? makes aluminums but i'vent checked into that too much. If you are going to build a 400 i think it'd be best to try to find a fairly rare first gen 400 from the early 70's which were actually 400 Clevelands. If you find one (came in fullsize cars only), it'll have 2bbl Cleveland heads on it from the factory. On the negative side... being that they are rare, it could take forever to find one.

4doorShorty
12-07-2006, 09:47 PM
yeah edelbrock makes aluminum heads, theyre pricey. Theres another aussie company that makes some killer 335 series heads, cant remember the name tho. CHI maybe, dont quote me. The early 400 blocks are still m blocks, there are those rare 400s that have what people refer to as the FMX block, there was an FMX tranny behind the engine. The block had the windsor/cleveland bellhousing and engine mounts. You could mill and port the M heads and get the same results. 4v cleveland heads will bolt on fine but noone makes an intake with large enough runners for it to work, so one would be fabbing up a sheetmetal/tube intake for that....or getting an intake adapter. Price Motor Sports makes all kinds of intake adapter/spacers.

The 400 uses the same pistons as the 351c, but the 400 has bigger wrist pins. Compression height is 1.647"....but with stock pistons the clearance from the top of the piston to the top of the block deck is almost 0.07", which is a hell of a lot when youre talking clearances. Should be around 0.01"-0.005" for proper quench.
Just a couple tid bits to add.

Troy
12-07-2006, 10:11 PM
ya im not looking to do a complete engine rebuild and start machining and boring and custom fabricating shit...alls i want to do is get it running good and do some bolt ons like a good cam,new lifters,maybe some roller rockers,new studs,edelbrock intake,carb, and some nice headers. Maybe down the road when i blow the motor up or want more horsepower(if i have the money) than ill do that or just sell it and build a muscle car...

4doorShorty
12-08-2006, 12:11 AM
well I kinda figured that, I just got into it a little deep lol. Definately get that new timing chain I mentioned last thread and port the crap out of the heads if youre going to do anything first, provided the engine is sound. The edelbrock intake is a good one for those engines. Comp cams deh 255-265 or 275's are other favorable cams. The 255 will leave you on the gruntier side, the 275 on the higher hp side. Most ppl pick the 265 for a good middle ground. Dont forget to add some big powerful spark.

Troy
12-08-2006, 12:32 AM
well I kinda figured that, I just got into it a little deep lol. Definately get that new timing chain I mentioned last thread and port the crap out of the heads if youre going to do anything first, provided the engine is sound. The edelbrock intake is a good one for those engines. Comp cams deh 255-265 or 275's are other favorable cams. The 255 will leave you on the gruntier side, the 275 on the higher hp side. Most ppl pick the 265 for a good middle ground. Dont forget to add some big powerful spark.

yes i am definately going to invest in a brand new ignition system (was thinking MSD) and im guessing you say port the heads out to improve exhaust/intake air flow right?