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Honky
09-07-2006, 11:45 AM
I am going to pick up some welding rod and a water proof case to store in the Jeep. The question is what is the best rod to use for a bush fix??

I was also going to make up a length of welding cable with clamps at each end and tuck that up under the seats of the jeep.

Tmax
09-07-2006, 11:49 AM
awsome idea kevin. i would also like to know as well.[36]

highwaystar
09-07-2006, 11:49 AM
jumper cables and a nickel? :confused:

Jeepnut
09-07-2006, 11:53 AM
a portable welder thats works would be a better idea[22]

Tmax
09-07-2006, 11:55 AM
a portable welder thats works would be a better idea[22]

what ever you preffer since it'll be used for the jeeps anyways[f]

In The Zone
09-07-2006, 12:00 PM
i carry 6013 and 7018 ussually

Pudge
09-07-2006, 12:26 PM
Hey Kev, are ya just gonna bundle up the cables? I saw a real good idea on my way to work. I drove by a mobile welder truck and he had his cables rolled up on a spool, like a grden reel for your hose. Never seen that fro welders before, I wonder if an air hose reel would work??

epic3
09-07-2006, 12:27 PM
and that worked on mine

Tmax
09-07-2006, 12:28 PM
i carry 6013 and 7018 ussually

what is the diffrence between the two and witch one is better?

In The Zone
09-07-2006, 01:13 PM
6013 is general purpose will still work with contamination like dust rust oil ect.... 7018 is a harder weld i believe likes more prep for good welds...

a good wire brush as well as some brakecleen will do ussually in the bush....

somthing else to pack......

as is some scraps o steel flat bar round stock ect...

so i would say the 6013 is easier in the bush ( not better)

3/32 and 1/8th common guage thickness..
so for hook up stinger from + on 1st batt then - to + on seconed bat then from seconed bat- to ground on part.

typical 2 battery hook up....

the driveshaft i did for phil i tacked with 6013 then used the 7018 for the beads

Honky
09-07-2006, 01:35 PM
I think the best one is any stick that is in the hands of someone that can weld. (not me)

I think we should have another welding/bbq garage party when the weather turns so that we can play around with the “brush stick” welder as well as the suitcase welder




the last one we had
http://www.funinbc.com/Picweek/march0704/100_4556.jpg



and this one was at Diggers
http://www.funinbc.com/forum/showthread.php?t=41959&highlight=welding+party

Tmax
09-07-2006, 01:38 PM
6013 is general purpose will still work with contamination like dust rust oil ect.... 7018 is a harder weld i believe likes more prep for good welds...

a good wire brush as well as some brakecleen will do ussually in the bush....

somthing else to pack......

as is some scraps o steel flat bar round stock ect...

so i would say the 6013 is easier in the bush ( not better)

3/32 and 1/8th common guage thickness..
so for hook up stinger from + on 1st batt then - to + on seconed bat then from seconed bat- to ground on part.

typical 2 battery hook up....

the driveshaft i did for phil i tacked with 6013 then used the 7018 for the beads

thanks dan. i'll get a box of each and start practicing.
[cheers]

barracuda
09-07-2006, 02:57 PM
Kevin i gave you some rods last time I saw you . everyone is forgetting 6010/11 you can weld with minamul cleaning and it has a very long arc . It penatrates deeply and freezez very quickly.

My preference is 6011 and 7018 . (3/32 and 1/8) With these two rods with a little practice most anyone can weld almost anything they need too

I can priovide the same equipment as last time and also provide some instruction.

Tmax
09-07-2006, 03:02 PM
welding party. now thats redneck[cheers]

Pudge
09-07-2006, 03:07 PM
I would be interested in learning some welding tips/tricks, as I know nothing, but am quite interested.

Tmax
09-07-2006, 03:13 PM
Kevin i gave you some rods last time I saw you . everyone is forgetting 6010/11 you can weld with minamul cleaning and it has a very long arc . It penatrates deeply and freezez very quickly.

My preference is 6011 and 7018 . (3/32 and 1/8) With these two rods i can weld almost anything

I can priovide the same equipment as last time and also provide some instruction.

do you have a spool gun? i really like to figure out how to use one.

Honky
09-07-2006, 03:14 PM
thanks Kyle!! as soon as the weather turns lets set this up!!

barracuda
09-07-2006, 03:21 PM
yes I do .

Tmax
09-07-2006, 03:22 PM
yes I do .

thats awsome. i do have a spoolgun but not a clue how to use it. everytime i tried there was too much soot around or not enough penetration.
[cheers]

DirtyComanche
09-07-2006, 03:29 PM
The guys who recommended 6013 and 7018.... How the f' do you get anything clean enough to weld with that in the bush? 6013 isn't really picky, but you've still got to get rid of all rust/paint/dirt/grease from whatever you're welding with it if you actually want the weld to hold anything. And 7018? Considering I won't weld with that unless I can prep the steel till it's nice n' shiney and then clean it with a solvent if I'm using that...




Use 6011. And some of that nickel-55 or similar crap. Between the two you can get yourself limping. Maybe.

Tmax
09-07-2006, 03:33 PM
so 6011 is the one everybody likes?

barracuda
09-07-2006, 03:48 PM
The guys who recommended 6013 and 7018.... How the f' do you get anything clean enough to weld with that in the bush? 6013 isn't really picky, but you've still got to get rid of all rust/paint/dirt/grease from whatever you're welding with it if you actually want the weld to hold anything. And 7018? Considering I won't weld with that unless I can prep the steel till it's nice n' shiney and then clean it with a solvent if I'm using that...




Use 6011. And some of that nickel-55 or similar crap. Between the two you can get yourself limping. Maybe.

7018 run over the 6011 works fine . you do not have to get metal super spotless for 7018 just have to burn it hot enough to float anything to the top. What do you think is used for ironwork????

UU
09-07-2006, 03:50 PM
A welding 101 party would be cool.
I can mig weld alright but I'd like to learn how to redneck it in the bush if need be.

[cheers]

Murd0c
09-07-2006, 04:06 PM
I;ve never welded a day in my life, always wanted to try I would be down

factor
09-07-2006, 04:09 PM
i would like to learn some welding

Ironman
09-07-2006, 04:16 PM
i can get tons of 7018 1/8 if anyone wants any[cheers]

crimsen
09-07-2006, 04:25 PM
6010 is a fast freeze, all position, deep penetrating rod which is not picky about prep. will usually burn most stuff. but it is needed for DC welding. slag is also medium dificulty to remove (a good weld with the correct manipulation will only need a minor rub with a wire brush after a sweep with the chipping hammer.

6011 is the same as a 6010, but is made for an AC machine, not DC.

6013 is a LOW penetrating rod, good for thin stuff like sheet metal and such.

7018 is a quick burning rod, leaves a good bead with nice penetration, but can be picky for preperation. slag is easy to remove. only problem is it is moisture sensetive

if you have to choose one rod, go with 6011 (car batteries are ac, correct?)

if 2, like kyle said, 6011 and 7018. nothing to beat it.

MetalMan
09-07-2006, 04:57 PM
Oh man, this is the car battery welding thing again isn't it...hahaha maybe I'm just paranoid but don't you guys worry about the battery blowing up???

lizard
09-07-2006, 05:30 PM
its a minimum 2 man operation

Tmax
09-07-2006, 05:34 PM
crimsen car batteries or any kind of battery is DC not AC.

stuckle
09-07-2006, 05:35 PM
6013 is farmers rod... can weld through anything...

i like 7018... but remember.. you need to weld it with reverse polarity[cheers]

barracuda
09-07-2006, 05:43 PM
6011 works with both ac and dc .

lizard
09-07-2006, 06:19 PM
well I'd bring 6013 for sure , just cuz I have done it and your not under ideal conditions/ equipment ect ect and you just gotta get something stuck together...

Not everyone has welded and one of these times theres not going to be someone that can weld to do it so it will be weld by the seat of your pants so the easier rod to weld with the better.
if the rod sticks its toast , so u can go threw alot of rods

shelizard
09-07-2006, 06:22 PM
very importantto keep the rods slightly warm and airtight dry. and 6011 is probally the one to go with

jesslee
09-07-2006, 08:08 PM
just get the mud and shit offa there with a wire brush, decent clean, put the hammer down with 6010 6011 or yeah 7018.. chip your slag if your gonna weld over a previous weld of a different stick or your shits gonna get all fucked up. and you dont need that. or youll be pissed off and more fucked up

ROBO
09-07-2006, 08:39 PM
whos stick are we doin in the bush? and when? 7014 my fave works real nice tight on the puddles and good pen..im in for a welding night ...

sj-x 500
09-07-2006, 09:02 PM
the ideal situation would be to have a AC alternator set up for welding, there are write ups how to change the old si series alternators into 120v generators, or a stick welder. hell if you get horny you can make a alternator into a tig welder.

Big_Ern
09-07-2006, 09:08 PM
I always though pure dc current (ie battery) lays a nicer bead? or is that only for mig welding?

barracuda
09-07-2006, 09:44 PM
I am really loveing this thread [15] [15]

Cwheeler
09-07-2006, 09:58 PM
Id go 6010, gerneral purpose rod any position can use it in rain wind whatever, wont be pretty but it will get u out of the bush until you can fix it properly.

shelizard
09-07-2006, 10:30 PM
I am really loveing this thread [15] [15]





wise guy eh??.....:cool:

barracuda
09-07-2006, 10:38 PM
I was gonna suggest a a rusty nail :p

shelizard
09-07-2006, 10:51 PM
:confused: ........sort of vauge there .....explain the joke please:o

shelizard
09-07-2006, 11:07 PM
[15] [15] just got it ......ha ....yeah funny [16] :p

CORC
09-07-2006, 11:19 PM
i go with a 6011 with dual batteries (24 volts) Provides 90 amps of juice for 15 minutes on full charges..
AS long as your not constantly Sticking the rods, the batts will never blow up!.
Normal jumper cables are ok with welding but they absorb alot of the heat forcing the rod to Stick.
If you find a 24 volt toyota Altenator, you can weld with 6011 with ease.
not the easiest hooking up a second alt,.. but its an easy mod!.

my 2 cents on the subject..

I live in the wack, if anyone wants to try to learn to Stick weld, i have a welder here,..
you supply the rods,.. and ill show you the basics.

Ironman
09-07-2006, 11:24 PM
I am really loveing this thread [15] [15]

you and me both. a few people shold try with a coat hanger before anything else[cheers]

Nutbar
09-07-2006, 11:46 PM
Hey I have welded shit up with a torch and coat hanger in a desperate situation before.

Ironman
09-07-2006, 11:50 PM
not with a torch i mean with a electric welder, its really tough to do but can be done. You get a lot or porosity but it does work[cheers]

Nutbar
09-08-2006, 12:03 AM
I fingered that was what ya meant but I haven't been desperate enough to try the A Team/MacGuyver aproach where any batteries and some cable and you can weld anything.[15]

Hey why not just carry JB Weld that is the same thing as welding isn't it?

In The Zone
09-08-2006, 08:14 AM
The guys who recommended 6013 and 7018.... How the f' do you get anything clean enough to weld with that in the bush? 6013 isn't really picky, but you've still got to get rid of all rust/paint/dirt/grease from whatever you're welding with it if you actually want the weld to hold anything. And 7018? Considering I won't weld with that unless I can prep the steel till it's nice n' shiney and then clean it with a solvent if I'm using that...




Use 6011. And some of that nickel-55 or similar crap. Between the two you can get yourself limping. Maybe.


thats why u use brakecleen in the aresol it will prep and drys to nothin.... of coarse after u cleaned debris with a wire brush /wheel..

u do bring cordless devices to the bush dont U?
and the 6013 i like for driveshaft repair as it has never failed me and does not burn through the thin walls as easily as the 7018 this is why i tacked with 6013 then finalize withthe 7018

im not saying im a pro or shit just know how to fix my shit to work....[cheers]

PowerStroke
09-08-2006, 08:33 AM
im a cwb certified welder, i use 7018 or arctec 223x

i have never had a probllem with both of those for going through grease oil... hydraulic fluid, gear oil..... just wipe the metal clean first... then make your pass.... with stick the fluxing agents pretty much take care of any crap that might contaminate a weld (to a point, you haveta atleast try to clean your weld surface first)

PowerStroke
09-08-2006, 08:35 AM
and run that bitch hot.....

StinkFinger
09-08-2006, 08:36 AM
this is how i lerned to weld
and i have found a nice 6010-6013 seies rod works great i had two sets of industrial jumpercables i think 00or000 gage wier with a pa stinger on one worked great and built my first bumper with it

barracuda
09-08-2006, 09:04 AM
and run that bitch hot.....

I think that the biggest problem with most folks is that they dont run it hot enough .

UU
09-08-2006, 09:23 AM
http://www.rebelrocketry.com/images/jbweld.jpg

Jeepnut
09-08-2006, 09:23 AM
thats about my speed[stupid]

barracuda
09-08-2006, 09:27 AM
Just so everyone know's Kevin knows how to weld :D
I have seen it with my own two eyes....:D

G-rizzle Swank
09-08-2006, 11:18 PM
[quote=DirtyComanche]And 7018? Considering I won't weld with that unless I can prep the steel till it's nice n' shiney and then clean it with a solvent if I'm using that...
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strange, i weld structural everyday without prepping the metal at all, the metal has 1/16" of primer on it still and the buildings are still standing.

Ironman
09-09-2006, 12:20 AM
i do the same, 7018 will burn through alot more than most people think[cheers]

crimsen
09-09-2006, 08:15 AM
when ya crank the heat up and get used to the rod atleast ;)