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skyjacker
09-23-2012, 05:39 PM
So I put a saignaw pump in my ranger awhile ago , minor modifications to the stock ranger bracket to get it in there , but I ended up grenading it so I go to buy a new one only to find out they discontinued it in 2010 fucking stupidgo fuck yourself , so I decided to try and mount a saignaw pump from a e-series van in there built up a bracket but for the life of myself cannot get the belt to run true with the other pullys , the pump is pritty much the same as a Chevy sag pump

Anyone mounted one of these up or got any good ideias , ive just about had enough of it need some insight ?

http://i962.photobucket.com/albums/ae109/redneckj-bird/EE8F760B-FC97-411E-98F2-41AEEE64C087-37730-00003679BB811D1B_zpsc4762a28.jpg
Pump on the left is the old sag pump that blew up , pump on the right is the new pump I'm trying to mount up

http://i962.photobucket.com/albums/ae109/redneckj-bird/366A073A-CC73-4CE1-920D-2310865B8486-37730-00003679B26D5077_zps537d1f8a.jpg
Closer pump is the new one , further away pump is the old one

Happypants
09-23-2012, 06:04 PM
U cant just swap the pulleys? Or order just a pump from psc like i did but its up to u,

85chevy
09-23-2012, 07:15 PM
Can't buy a rebuild kit for the pump or a reman pump?

What year is the old one out of?

skyjacker
09-23-2012, 07:35 PM
U cant just swap the pulleys? Or order just a pump from psc like i did but its up to u,

Pully change over is no problem it's getting the pump to sit in there properly , and PSC dosent have what I need

skyjacker
09-23-2012, 07:39 PM
Can't buy a rebuild kit for the pump or a reman pump?

What year is the old one out of?

They don't offer a rebuild kit for it anymore either its a Cardone pump and have emailed them about it already , the pump I blew up was a special made heavy duty ford upgrade pump , it's not a vechicle specific pump , it works on most fords , it's special because it had that horeshoe spacer but more than that the longer shaft that makes it work with stock mounting brackets

crimsen
09-23-2012, 07:45 PM
what do you mean it does not sit true to the other pullys? you can't just shim the low side or grind off a bit/tweek the mount for the high side?

85chevy
09-23-2012, 08:13 PM
I bet that is just a normal pump with a longer shaft and an extra bracket
http://www.pscmotorsports.com/ford-351-saginaw-pump-adapter-bracket.html
I would take the pump apart and see cuz it might be a simple rebuild if u can get a part number or serial number off the pump

skyjacker
09-23-2012, 09:59 PM
what do you mean it does not sit true to the other pullys? you can't just shim the low side or grind off a bit/tweek the mount for the high side?

I shimmed it up and changed it a bunch of times trying to get it run good but couldn't get it right

skyjacker
09-23-2012, 10:03 PM
I bet that is just a normal pump with a longer shaft and an extra bracket
http://www.pscmotorsports.com/ford-351-saginaw-pump-adapter-bracket.html
I would take the pump apart and see cuz it might be a simple rebuild if u can get a part number or serial number off the pump

Yea I think that's what it is can't find another pump like it from anyone , I might dive into tearing it apart I just don't know what to look for or how to rebuild them for that matter

85chevy
09-23-2012, 10:06 PM
Its just a vane pump. How did u come to the conclusion that it was blown?

skyjacker
09-23-2012, 10:16 PM
Pump wines real bad , and it's pritty close to Armstrong steering

85chevy
09-23-2012, 11:36 PM
Maybe the pressure relief valve is stuck open so its not building any pressure. Its just a vane pump

Happypants
09-23-2012, 11:48 PM
Have u tried a stock explorer pump?

skyjacker
09-24-2012, 12:46 AM
Maybe the pressure relief valve is stuck open so its not building any pressure. Its just a vane pump

Ok I'll rip it apart and check it out

skyjacker
09-24-2012, 12:47 AM
Have u tried a stock explorer pump?

Yea my truck eats them like candy last mabey acoupple days of wheeling then starts wineing like crazy , the stock pumps are so junky

Happypants
09-24-2012, 09:04 AM
Should look into getting a PSC pump then,

skyjacker
09-24-2012, 12:46 PM
Yea but then I'll still halfto make a mounting bracket for it only difference is there pumps are like twice the price for the same thing I have , I'd like to get a hydro assist kit from them but they dont have a pump any different than the one I have already

skyjacker
09-27-2012, 10:38 AM
So I tore the whole pump apart nothing looks wrong inside to me but I could be missing something

I think what I'm going to do is tear my new pump apart and put the extended shaft into it and use the horse shoe mount as well and it should work just fine

85chevy
09-27-2012, 07:22 PM
Well the pump only generates flow its the restrictions in the system that create the pressure.

skyjacker
09-27-2012, 08:28 PM
Well the pump only generates flow its the restrictions in the system that create the pressure.

Yea that makes sence all the veins inside the pump look clear and nothing looks worn out or broken , makes no sence to me , I got stuck in a bad spot in my back yard and that's when pump started acting up I flushed the system and put fresh fluid in , fired up the truck and hardly made it out of the shop before the steering got rilly hard pump was pritty hot as well

skyjacker
09-30-2012, 07:46 PM
Ok so I put a stock pump back in my truck just so I could move it and make sure the box was fine , it steered fine no wineing , so then I took both my new saignaw pump and blown up pump apart , the only difference between the 2 was the shaft length and the resivour can , so I took the shaft from the old pump and installed it in the new pump , bolted it all back up on my truck and the steering is right back to Armstrong , how the hell can a brand new pump do that makes no sence what so ever to me at all , the rest of the steering system is fine and it works with the stock pump :dontknow:

4skin
09-30-2012, 09:04 PM
where he pressure line threads into the back of the pump
is the pressure valve have got new pumps that didnt work
changed with the old one and worked fine
you can also drill out the orifice to increase pressure

skyjacker
10-01-2012, 05:57 PM
Ok I'll try that thanx for the info

tchevy
10-01-2012, 06:01 PM
when u drill out orfices you increase flow, not pressure. pressure is a byproduct of restriction.

85chevy
10-01-2012, 07:16 PM
when u drill out orfices you increase flow, not pressure. pressure is a byproduct of restriction.
Its half as backwards anyways u have to little flow at idle when u need it and way to much at high rpm when u don't need it:dontknow:

skyjacker
10-01-2012, 11:56 PM
Gonna try a new box and lines next this ones got me really stumped