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andrewmacc
12-07-2011, 12:45 PM
I have this posted up on bcjeepclub, but I figured I'd like to get some razzing from non-Jeepers about the pointlessness.


Specifications insofar:

1998 Cherokee, 5 speed 2-door.
- 14" FOA coilovers set up for 5" up 9" down.
- Liquid Iron shock hoops, cross-braced.
- 1980's Ford high pinion kingpin Dana 60, 90's Dodge knuckles/brakes/outers
- B.F. high steer arms drilled for 7/8" heims
- 80's SRW GM 14 bolt, Grizzly mech locker, disc brake conversion
- NWF 1350 yokes
- 5.13:1 gearsets, full master install
- RuffStuff steering, panhard, and 1.25" 3-link heim kit.
- 2" 1/4"-wall lowers and upper, 37" and 37.5" eye to eye respectively, with a 20* bend in the lowers to clear the tires
- TnT Eng. 3/16" channel stiffeners and front horns
- Liquid Iron 3/16" front stiffeners
- homemade flat belly crossmember
- 17" H2 rims
- 37" Toyo rollers
- flipped, clocked, drilled, tapped Dana 300 with 4:1 gears
- NWF alum. flip/clocking ring
- MWC push/pull cables for twin stick shifters
- '98 Dodge MC for kung fu brakes
- EMS hydro assist cap, drilled and tapped top cap on stock Saginaw box
- PSC 1.5"x8" ram
- SOLID diff covers

The goodies:


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not finished in this pic
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tearing axle out
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first cuts are always the hard ones
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/315683_2467402178822_1665330018_2330968_46941605_n .jpg

hole and stiffeners
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/383273_2467520941791_1665330018_2330988_1601505702 _n.jpg

jamming the shock hoops to check clearance
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/306487_2479194473622_1665330018_2334731_201457266_ n.jpg

tacking to check coilover lengths for ride height
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decided to shorten my lengths by 2" when I was mocking up with PVC.. this was too long
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/385167_2523264575347_1665330018_2350086_2061896508 _n.jpg

EMS cap
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/377084_2525347947430_1665330018_2350811_2087556068 _n.jpg

quick and super ugly inner box brace
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/391775_2550576938139_1665330018_2359247_561927503_ n.jpg

making holes to locate where my upper link will come through the floor
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/376028_2550570977990_1665330018_2359244_185011796_ n.jpg


https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/377940_2451040249784_1665330018_2324540_2050102949 _n.jpg


And that's the quick and easy preview. I had control arm tubes sitting at Pacific Bending right now, and I don't want to do toooo much until I get them back and grind my control arm mounts to accommodate the 20* angle. I'm at 104" wheelbase right now, all in the front.


Any questions? I know it's pretty meh, but it's my first real build.

BleepinJeep
12-07-2011, 12:56 PM
Atta boy Andrew, keep up the good work. Cant wait to see this when its done

Griswold
12-07-2011, 01:29 PM
Looks like you do some nice work there......Keep it up....see you out there soon.

Legend
12-07-2011, 02:01 PM
nice work cant wait to see it finished

crazybushcreature
12-07-2011, 02:03 PM
looks like a good project u got goin there

muddyWaters
12-07-2011, 04:09 PM
Coolness!! I am awaiting the finished product!

Trailjunkie
12-07-2011, 05:58 PM
nice man , its gona be a killer xj.

C-Dog
12-07-2011, 06:55 PM
nice man , its gona be a killer xj.



[stupid]


Will be following the build nice work so far

andrewmacc
12-07-2011, 09:32 PM
Thanks for all the comments guys!

I went a little silly tonight, but you'll have to trust me on this one. :D

So yeah. Uh. Oops.

Started off nice and mild, cutting some sheet metal to make room for my upper link.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/380506_2555660025213_1665330018_2360437_1995440199 _n.jpg

But I kept getting more and more nervous at how thin that sheet metal frame channel is.. And with a frameside upper link where you can't get much reinforcement on both sides, I was thinking there was no way that I'd be comfortable with all the leverage on one side of a weak "frame".

So I started cutting more...
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/378966_2556171197992_1665330018_2360629_108937839_ n.jpg

And then I started thinking.. I can reinforce the frame channel, but only if I can get access to the inside and top of it. Well, shit. Here goes.


Heellloooooholy shit. I'm in it deep now.
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/388822_2556388443423_1665330018_2360693_776130621_ n.jpg


Well. I was talking to a friend and he kept saying "if you don't stop cutting it up I'm going to take your keys away", because it just looked like I wasn't stopping. But luckily, sense prevailed and I've been measuring for new material to strengthen this absolutely pathetic frame up.

I am going to sink two pieces of 1/8" steel on the inside of each vertical section of rail. Then two pieces of box tube will sink in there and get welded sort of like a "crush sleeve" of sorts. Then a piece of 3/16" will cover up the whole thing, with holes drilled to plug weld onto the box tube. THEN I can mount my frame upper link to that, and throw a few gussets in. Yes, passenger foot room will be scarce.. but my passengers will just have to learn to get comfy.. I won't compromise safety and suspension geometry for a couple inches of leg room.

You'll just have to trust me on this one, I'll show you pics in progress, as always. :D

64CJ6Willy
12-07-2011, 09:47 PM
Sweet looking, good work. Glad to see ya post up over here. Keep it up!

atoyot
12-08-2011, 12:41 PM
nice....
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still a lil too much jeep left though......:D
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bcbugger
12-08-2011, 03:13 PM
cant wait to see it on the trails!

Evan the Blue
12-08-2011, 04:04 PM
Looking good man ... makin good use of the BMW as a tow vehicle I see lol

vajayjay
12-09-2011, 12:33 PM
Looks good so far, what are you gonna use for a front bumper :D [f] :D

andrewmacc
12-09-2011, 04:40 PM
Looking good man ... makin good use of the BMW as a tow vehicle I see lol

oh yeah

BMWs. Not just for looking like a douchebag!

Hahaha.



Looks good so far, what are you gonna use for a front bumper :D [f] :D
Hahahaha weeeellll, I'm not so sure your old bumper will be going on here. I have plans for a niiice recessed winch bumper - it literally sticks past the grill by barely an inch.

I actually hate driving around with a big steel bumper and winch on the front. It acts like a lame dog. Haha, so I'm in no rush to put one on yet.



Looks fugly now, but in a few -- wait no, it's just going to look fugly. Such a terrible position to weld with rod.

This was at the beginning. I stitch welded it after this. The tube sleeve, as you can see, I didn't try to weld the bottom. Wasn't necessary, it has welds on the outside at both ends. Also why it's okay that it looks like bird poopy, I had it set too cold and it kept sticking. I have the opposite inside plated as well, and then I'll sink some box tube between those two pieces to sandwich it. Then the 3/16" plate will get holes cut where the the box tube is so I can rosette weld around it. This way I can put the upper link up beside the frame rail and have gussets keeping it tight to the rail.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/376312_2560939877206_1665330018_2362178_314949203_ n.jpg

Taxidermy
12-09-2011, 07:55 PM
Nice tires and rims. Good work on fixing all your parts on the Jeep.

Good to see all your pictures.

BuckNaked
12-10-2011, 10:54 AM
looks awsome man! good call on beefing up the frame (if you can call it that) looks like you covered about everything else!

64CJ6Willy
12-10-2011, 11:16 AM
oh yeah


https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/376312_2560939877206_1665330018_2362178_314949203_ n.jpg

Where did ya get the paint scheme from? HEHE

andrewmacc
12-12-2011, 04:32 PM
Thanks guys!

Yeah I'm trying to cover my bases are far as my "frame" is concerned. I haven't done the rear yet, but I will. Won't lie.. I'm going to do it afterward. I just want to drive the thing, and not doing the rear right away won't kill me.


Just got back from the weekend, was out on Vancouver Island with a bunch of friends.

Looks like poop, again, which seems to be par for the course, but I can clean it up later.. the paint is just because throwing paint on almost makes you feel like you did something. :laugh:

The rightmost piece of tube is actually from when I was trying to fix the gaping hole the P.O. left in the frame.

Is it overkill to do this? Yes. But I already cut into the floor, I figured why not make it stronger where a link mount will be? In reality this is totally unnecessary and is just dead weight.

Still waiting on the shop to get my bent links back so I can tack up all my mounts.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/388527_2590946227346_1665330018_2372141_27922357_n .jpg

andrewmacc
12-13-2011, 05:40 PM
Getting there.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/385895_2597859000161_1665330018_2373939_178379727_ n.jpg


Tried to do some more welding on the frame with my inner stiffeners, but I'm just getting so fed up with stick welding on it. So the inner stiffeners will get a quick grind off and be redone. Sort of a frustrating day, and apparently my brother is storing a motorcycle in the garage now. Just great. There will be no room to move.

Punk in Drublic
12-13-2011, 05:53 PM
sometimes its better to bolt then weld, especially if your trying to stick weld to paper/ jeep.[cheers]

andrewmacc
12-14-2011, 09:11 PM
sometimes its better to bolt then weld, especially if your trying to stick weld to paper/ jeep.[cheers]
Yeah, I wish I could just bolt these on though.
My goal is to strongly tack everything together, and try to get the Jeep to my buddy's house and just pay him to weld it all up over a weekend or two.


Links tacked up.
Was trying to tack the brackets up as well, but the link is so awkward to move around by myself while trying to get a tack, I'm just going to wait until tomorrow when I have another set of hands.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/382706_2605448829902_1665330018_2375944_805337837_ n.jpg


In other news, I've been laughing my butt off at myself - I kept noticing that something looked... off. So I grabbed the tape measure and took a bunch of measurements. I guess when I was doing the rear, I let something shift right before I welded the perches on, and it's shifted a half inch toward the driver side. Silly Andrew, tape measures are for carpenters. Oh, wait. D'oh.

Not a huge deal. I'll finish the Jeep, drive around until I get a little time, and just knock them off and reweld them on a Sunday afternoon. Not overly concerned, just one of those little things that bug you until you fix it.

Happypants
12-14-2011, 09:37 PM
Purdy, I'm waiting for my rubicon parts to get in so I can start my 44/9" swap

andrewmacc
12-15-2011, 09:20 PM
Used my drill press and a lot of patience, notches came out pretty stellar considering I didn't even have it clamped down, just held it with one hand:

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/376453_2610815364062_1665330018_2378032_1176400930 _n.jpg

The idea:

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/383324_2611638464639_1665330018_2378329_252037188_ n.jpg

Tacked up the lower control arm mounts on the frame and axle side, as well as the shock hoop.
Everything will come back apart, because I have to improve the material fit-up on the hoop standoffs and the lower control arm mounts on the axle side, because I had to notch them 20*. I used a plasma, but I couldn't get the contour right.
The control arm is obviously just sitting there, rotated down. It will tuck inward to the center.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/380521_2611656705095_1665330018_2378333_437613837_ n.jpg


Done for the night.
It's all tacked. Like I said, the lower mounts and the shock hoop standoffs need improvement before they're welded. Also have to decrease the shock angle on the driver side - but that's a matter of tacking of the tube brackets in place. Also will reposition driver's side hoop.

Man. So much welding left. :( Stiffeners, inner stiffeners, upper mount, panhard, control arms, CA mounts, ram mount, shock hoops, and dreaded sheet metal.


https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/393649_2612025794322_1665330018_2378466_1926051683 _n.jpg

64CJ6Willy
12-15-2011, 10:16 PM
Welcome to the machine!

youngun
12-15-2011, 10:31 PM
looks good man, keep it up

4skin
12-15-2011, 10:48 PM
before you finalize welds on your shock hoops
cycle the suspension full stuff one side full compreshion other
thought i had room on my willys
butt coilover hit frame spent all day fixing it
cant move top mounts on mine cause of body shape

andrewmacc
12-16-2011, 04:55 PM
Welcome to the machine!
Haha does look a little robotic, with the shop lights shining up like that.


looks good man, keep it up
Thanks! Didn't do dick all today, unfortunately - duty calls.. family functions with the girlfriend's extended. Y-aay... :dontknow:

before you finalize welds on your shock hoops
cycle the suspension full stuff one side full compreshion other
thought i had room on my willys
butt coilover hit frame spent all day fixing it
cant move top mounts on mine cause of body shape

Yeah you know what's funny, is that I knew I had to do that, but it had slipped my mind and I went straight to weld mode in my head. But yeah, I'll cycle it this weekend. Thanks for the heads up.

I've got a good list of stuff to get done this weekend.. that I was hoping to do today, but like I said.

The plan:
- tack up inner stiffeners again (and grind out poop weld)
- tack up upper link brackets axle- and frame-side.
- gotta adjust some stuff, when I was welding the bolt sleeves, they shifted from the heat.
- assemble 60 w/ high steer arms so that I can get my tie rod and drag link length
- improve fit-up on lower arm mounts
- tack up panhard brackets

I'll have to dig deep and buy a big ol' bucket of bolts for this sucker. All 5/8" grade 8 bolts? Yikes, expensive.

69FJ40
12-18-2011, 12:59 PM
it's gonna be sweet when it's done!

78bronco
12-18-2011, 01:52 PM
thats a pretty cool build

andrewmacc
12-20-2011, 08:12 PM
it's gonna be sweet when it's done!
thats a pretty cool build


Thanks guys.

Unfortunately nothing got done.. I'm still living at home right now until I find out if I'm accepted into UVIC, so it's obviously more often than not my parents' way or the highway, and shit hit the fan so I ended up at my girlfriend's house for this week..

came home today to find all my tools and parts and shit all thrown underneath my Jeep. It was too late to start pulling it all out to start working on it again and figure out where on earth my parts are, so I'm leaving it until tomorrow.. [16]

Anyway. The plan is to do some Christmas shopping, and then whack off the hoops so I can cut a little more sheet metal out near where the stock shock mounts are. I'll actually leave them off for a bit longer to weld up the front stiffeners - I mostly just wanted to see where they'd land right now.

Anybody with a MIG want to help me do some welding? :dontknow:

andrewmacc
12-23-2011, 12:59 PM
Attempting to figure out my links. Bah.

And yes of course I know the drag link and panhard are at vastly different angles. I threw the drop pitman arm back on there to see if it could be reused. Not really.

I don't like how steep the panhard is though. :(

I can't get the panhard to clear the tie rod. I'm not sure what to do.. I think I can't reuse any of the panhard brackets I bought. Which is rather frustrating. Guess it's time to start fabbing.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/401650_2651024449264_1665330018_2395427_2000431530 _n.jpg


Trying to make a tierod adjustment tool on another Jeep:
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/386586_2651916471564_1665330018_2395806_1214062988 _n.jpg

Happypants
12-23-2011, 01:03 PM
Best to do is make your own track bar mount AFTER you have your steering and link mounts figured out, to build off existing material in a ideal location,

andrewmacc
12-23-2011, 09:50 PM
Best to do is make your own track bar mount AFTER you have your steering and link mounts figured out, to build off existing material in a ideal location,
Yes and no all in the same breath.

Because of how ridiculously close all my front links are - I will have my third link mount tacked up on the tube, and I built the tie rod today (tacked), and now I have to build a panhard bracket to slip in between those two.. I will have about a 1/4" of clearance. So unfortunately, my custom bracket will actually end up dictating what style of pitman arm I will be using.

In other words, my panhard is dictating my drag link angle. I hate to say that, but clearances are unbelievably tight. For example, here is Chris from PBB running a damn near similar set-up - high steer, passenger side link tower, etc:

NOT MINE (but I wish it was)


http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/498/img3183.jpg

http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/2527/img3187fkuexfaxdo.jpg

http://img188.imageshack.us/img188/541/img3188r.jpg

andrewmacc
12-23-2011, 10:50 PM
I don't know if the cardboard will hold up to the stress, but I'll give it a test run.
Like so.


Not compleeeetely in place, was holding it steady while leaning back to get the picture. But that's the idea. It's a little tall, but I will gusset it off of the third link tower.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/375186_2657082680716_1665330018_2397671_1019758027 _n.jpg

64CJ6Willy
12-24-2011, 02:25 AM
Thanks guys.

Unfortunately nothing got done.. I'm still living at home right now until I find out if I'm accepted into UVIC, so it's obviously more often than not my parents' way or the highway, and shit hit the fan so I ended up at my girlfriend's house for this week..

came home today to find all my tools and parts and shit all thrown underneath my Jeep. It was too late to start pulling it all out to start working on it again and figure out where on earth my parts are, so I'm leaving it until tomorrow.. [16]

Anybody with a MIG want to help me do some welding? :dontknow:

Got mig, you got 220 volt? PM me.

andrewmacc
12-24-2011, 07:22 PM
Got mig, you got 220 volt? PM me.

PM incoming!


Been posting a lot lately about small things, but hey, it's my thread right? :D

This is a better idea.. I decided cardboard wasn't good enough for now, so I grabbed some 9" long pieces of scrap metal and made a mock-up bracket with the holes drilled at 8". Pretty high for a panhard, but not unacceptable.

Any ideas or complaints?

Oh, I also moved the front axle back an inch, so wheelbase is at 103". I think. I didn't really measure the total. My buddy (mistertierney on here) and I spent like a good half hour just trying to get everything square.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/400780_2662017564085_1665330018_2399395_1015335960 _n.jpg

Happypants
12-24-2011, 07:29 PM
Dosent matter how high it is as long as geometrically it's the same as your drag link, just make sure you guesset it well,

What might be easier and what I've seen some ppl do is run a stock pitman arm or a close to stock one for better angles/clearance issues

andrewmacc
12-24-2011, 10:23 PM
Dosent matter how high it is as long as geometrically it's the same as your drag link, just make sure you guesset it well,

What might be easier and what I've seen some ppl do is run a stock pitman arm or a close to stock one for better angles/clearance issues
Tummy is full of some good Christmas goodies. Went into the garage and moved that mockup bracket back a few inches (trying to get darn near the same length draglink and panhard.. I really have no excuse not to, with coilovers).

Moving it back (well, left) changed my angle a bit, actually making it more difficult. With it where it was, I could basically use a flat arm. With it moved back, I need a slight drop pitman.. I'm going to hit the Google after I post this, but do you know how much drop the stock pitman arm has? Just pulling string, it looks like I need a drop of 4" from the top of the arm to the hole. I'll obviously get more precise measurements later.

And absolutely, with the height, the added leverage screams for a solid bracket. I'm actually going to make it a wide mofo, and I will try to stretch a gusset from the third link tower to the panhard bracket.

Thanks!

Excuse the mess. We had to push the motorcycle past the T-bird and the Jeep, so everything got shoved underneath.
http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/2704/steeringo.jpg

Happypants
12-24-2011, 11:11 PM
Lol ya I'm stuffed too from christmas dinner,

A v8 zj pitman arm is about a 4" drop, I would stay away from pro comp ones cause I have a 4" drop pro comp pitman arm and it comes loose all the time, pain in the FKN ass, and ya better to have as long as u can panhard/trackbar

4skin
12-24-2011, 11:54 PM
just wondering its hard to tell
but were youve got the diff sitting is that at ride hight or full compresion
looks like coilovers are fully compressed

andrewmacc
12-25-2011, 12:42 AM
Lol ya I'm stuffed too from christmas dinner,

A v8 zj pitman arm is about a 4" drop, I would stay away from pro comp ones cause I have a 4" drop pro comp pitman arm and it comes loose all the time, pain in the FKN ass, and ya better to have as long as u can panhard/trackbar

Yeah, too much food. Oh man. Ham, smoked salmon (odd twist but it went well), taters, stuffing, graaaavy, nanaimo bars, so many goodies..

The ZJ arms are the same spline? I'll have to look into it. I really don't want to buy new but I don't have time to look for used, so I think I'll whip over to Steering Solutions on 192nd by the Golden Ears bridge - he seemed to really know his shit, and he was kind enough to donate a used snap ring for my steering box when I kinked mine.
And then of course I kinked that one (don't ask). So for $10 he popped a new o-ring and new snap ring on, with my hydro assist cap positioned.


just wondering its hard to tell
but were youve got the diff sitting is that at ride hight or full compresion
looks like coilovers are fully compressed
It's ride height, but worry not - I knocked the shock hoops off again and for whatever reason compressed the shocks and leaned them against the inside.

Hot tip for myself next time:
build your shit at full bump. [16]

Happypants
12-25-2011, 12:57 AM
Yep there the same spline, all jeeps..well the older ones...tjs,zjs,xjs,yjs all run the same signaw style pump, and yea they all the same spline,

andrewmacc
12-27-2011, 12:10 AM
Had some help from my friend Nicktierney, a good buddy of mine. He's an XJ guy, lives on the island now. Wouldn't have got the steering in place so quickly without him. The panhard and draglink is identical in length, and damn near identical in angle. It may be off ever so slightly when the pitman arm is seated further on the splines, but not by much. We'll see!

Sort of annoyed. The Ruff Stuff kit is supposed to be 5/8" bolts ACCORDING to their site, for the control arms - but instead only ONE is 5/8", which is the one in the upper bracket which is threaded (a fine thread, mind you). All the others are 3/4" misalignment spacers. So EVEN though their site specifically says to drill the brackets to 5/8", I have to redrill them with them already attached to the axle and frame to 3/4" holes. Not very happy about that, but partially my fault for not checking before I drilled and bought bolts.

Clearances are tight, which is to be expected. All the stores were closed so I will get steel and bolts tomorrow so I can replace the 5/8" bolts and make the panhard bracket to replace those 2 little straps.


https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/381207_2674625439274_1665330018_2408261_1118103993 _n.jpg


It's pretty tall, but if I get everything working, it shouldn't be hellacious to put it down a couple inches.


https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/401230_2674627039314_1665330018_2408262_1338300916 _n.jpg

Happypants
12-27-2011, 08:06 AM
Looks good, real good, shitty bout the bolts but if that's the only real fuckup then your gonna be done in no time

Legend
12-27-2011, 09:25 PM
Looks good, real good, shitty bout the bolts but if that's the only real fuckup then your gonna be done in no time


yea i agree this is coming a long quite quickly

4skin
12-27-2011, 11:32 PM
those angles look much better
those coilover mounts seem realy tall
looking at the other guys build you posted
and the ones on mine
mine are about 2 inches tall and his dont look much more
but its comeing along good

andrewmacc
12-28-2011, 12:47 AM
I needed them to clear the high steer arms, because it's possible that the lower coil retainer will hit the arm. Still need to fully flex it out. Height isn't an issue really, just need to be braced.

Thanks though, I'll certainly keep my eye on everything.

Anyone have a hookup on an Astro reverse throw steering box? I just discovered my pitman arm to tiered clearance issue at flex. I have a few options, and I'll post pics later - on my phone now:

- shorten the steering arm. No bueno, getting full steering is a close call already
- relocate the steering box forward 2 inches. That will push it slightly outside the crossmember, plus I'll have to drill and make crush sleeves for the new holes.
- reverse throw box from Astro van
- ditch high steer. Not happening. Too much effort in it already.

andrewmacc
12-28-2011, 01:22 AM
Flexing while turning:

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/396751_2680719911632_1665330018_2411948_1843041766 _n.jpg

Flexing a little:
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/395522_2680721271666_1665330018_2411949_1765128356 _n.jpg

My shitty contraption to hold the upper in a lazy spot:
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/402928_2680723511722_1665330018_2411950_1018521281 _n.jpg

The control arm bend:
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/390332_2680725031760_1665330018_2411951_1257974628 _n.jpg

Compression without turning:
http://img855.imageshack.us/img855/351/imagesab.jpg

General position of panhard:
http://img705.imageshack.us/img705/5008/imagejtn.jpg

4skin
12-28-2011, 08:58 AM
reverse throw box would create more problems than it would cure
by the looks of it you only need 1/2/to a inch to clear steering
you could shorten your links 1/2in and it would clear
it wouldnt be hard to do at this point
or move the box you need to brace box mount anyway
have you set your caster yet that could change things too

andrewmacc
12-29-2011, 08:29 PM
reverse throw box would create more problems than it would cure
by the looks of it you only need 1/2/to a inch to clear steering
you could shorten your links 1/2in and it would clear
it wouldnt be hard to do at this point
or move the box you need to brace box mount anyway
have you set your caster yet that could change things too
Yeah the only guy I've seen do the Astro box on an XJ moved the box back like 5 inches to compensate for the forward throw, and I like how parallel my draglink is.

I think I'm going to move the box. I will grab some .120 wall tube sleeves, drill, weld, and brace. This should move the box forward about 2.5", which should give me plenty of clearance.

Art is coming over on Saturday, he's kindly offered to help me weld. Thanks Art!

Right now I'm making the official axleside panhard bracket. Using some 1/4" plate, it's 8" long and 9.25" high (with the bolt hole at 8"). I wish I could do some fancy dimple die speed holes but I don't have those kind of resources.

64CJ6Willy
12-29-2011, 08:49 PM
Right now I'm making the official axleside panhard bracket. Using some 1/4" plate, it's 8" long and 9.25" high (with the bolt hole at 8"). I wish I could do some fancy dimple die speed holes but I don't have those kind of resources.

Bring it up to me in portkells tommorrow with a trailer hitch ball. We'll slam it in the press.

andrewmacc
12-30-2011, 04:27 AM
Bring it up to me in portkells tommorrow with a trailer hitch ball. We'll slam it in the press.
That would be wicked. [36] I can do that. Where in Port Kells are you?


Reposting from bcjc, because I was having an epiphany about my steering issue:

"After a sudden epiphany, I realized a couple things:
it is possible to relocate the steering box, OR:

I can put the tie rod on the bottom hole, with the drag link on top of the same hole. This will do a couple things: lower the tierod a few inches, and reduce the swing radius of the steering arm from the center of the kingping to the chosen steering hole from 8.5" to 5.5", which will greatly increase the turning ratio relationship between the steering arm and the pitman arm.

So not only do I not have to relocate the box, I no longer need to find a way to also lengthen the pitman arm to get full steering. That's perfect. I will still have to do some fabrication to make the pitman arm clear, but I'll show you my plan when I get a little further on it. http://www.bcjeepclub.ca/Smileys/default/evil.gif

Literally the only downside is that my tierod is 3" lower. But if you look at where it is now.. 3" is nothing."

andrewmacc
12-30-2011, 10:49 AM
Ran off to my local expert steering guy. Bugger charged me $30 for a junkyard arm though.
(just a note for anyone if they need that same arm, the guy figured it came off an 80's Dodge with the steering box on the outside, with the short drag link)

Anyway, here was my fix:

got rid of this hideously large drop arm
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/394582_2694329611866_1665330018_2417197_790421818_ n.jpg

It can stuff higher now, but my little jack maxed out and the wood was shifting in a bad way, but anyway, it can stuff much higher once I kill the sheet metal.. and actually bolt up the tierod properly. I went under the arm. Gonna make double shear tabs now that I'm running the drag and tierod off the same hole.
As you can see the tierod is hanging very low at the moment.. just because of my superduper long mockup bolts that are now useless (they worked fine when I had the arms over the arm because I just dropped them through.. now they're making the tierod hang like 3.5" low)
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/407461_2694334771995_1665330018_2417199_1332002011 _n.jpg



On the plus side, the angle difference isn't as bad as I was expected with changing out such a severe drop arm to a smaller one. I'm not convinced I escaped all the clearance issues, though, once I try to stuff it higher, ie full compression on both sides.. I guarantee it won't clear.


Thanks guys. Just one of those dumb problems that I guess I was just thinking too hard on to come up with the simple solution.


edit: little hiccup, pretty unrelated. Finally bolted up the SOLID diff cover just to check clearances, they forgot to send 1 bolt. Sent an e-mail off, just a sucky mistake. I'm sure they'll take care of it.

andrewmacc
12-31-2011, 01:56 PM
Discovered that I'll need to make my own frameside panhard, too. Just not comfortable with the lack of weld area with the premade bracket.

Art (64CJ6Willy) came over this morning and blasted away on my stiffeners, control arms, and brackets. He just left like 10 minutes ago.
oh yeah

Downright good guy - I think my favourite part is that he refrained from commenting on any of my welds. :roll eyes


He said that it's not the prettiest stuff he's done - but that would be partially my fault. He had to weld through my hideous tack welds and deal with fairly poor fit-up.

http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/378583_2701168462833_1665330018_2420555_1764443598 _n.jpg


I'll get a pic of the frameside brackets and control arms later. Watching a real welder at work gets tiring.
[15]

Griswold
12-31-2011, 04:25 PM
Ha Ha Ha.....lookin good...
and you never snapped a pic of Art workin on yer rig???

andrewmacc
12-31-2011, 04:37 PM
Ha Ha Ha.....lookin good...
and you never snapped a pic of Art workin on yer rig???
You know what, that actually crossed my mind afterward.. I always like snapping pics of people working on my rig.. and I have no idea how I never caught him in action.

Hell, I even snapped a pic of my girlfriend trying out my stick welder:

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/403064_2681313366468_1665330018_2412208_1682381217 _n.jpg



Okay guys riddle me this amateur question:
as per my bolt dilemma of 5/8" vs 3/4", I've managed to drill out the axle side brackets to 3/4" in my drill press.. now, I had Art weld up the frameside control arm brackets because I figured hell, they're in the perfect spot already, I'll just drill them with the electric hand drill..

but the bit dulled out in seconds, with oil. So I figured, okay, to be fair I had my finger on the trigger the whole way. So I grabbed my other step bit, and went slow.. and somehow dulled that out too. What gives?

epic3
12-31-2011, 05:45 PM
step bits arent meant to go through anything more then half the thickness of each step even with oil. your normal bit dulled cus you were probably going to fast with it.

4skin
12-31-2011, 06:04 PM
That would be wicked. [36] I can do that. Where in Port Kells are you?


Reposting from bcjc, because I was having an epiphany about my steering issue:

"After a sudden epiphany, I realized a couple things:
it is possible to relocate the steering box, OR:

I can put the tie rod on the bottom hole, with the drag link on top of the same hole. This will do a couple things: lower the tierod a few inches, and reduce the swing radius of the steering arm from the center of the kingping to the chosen steering hole from 8.5" to 5.5", which will greatly increase the turning ratio relationship between the steering arm and the pitman arm.

So not only do I not have to relocate the box, I no longer need to find a way to also lengthen the pitman arm to get full steering. That's perfect. I will still have to do some fabrication to make the pitman arm clear, but I'll show you my plan when I get a little further on it. http://www.bcjeepclub.ca/Smileys/default/evil.gif

Literally the only downside is that my tierod is 3" lower. But if you look at where it is now.. 3" is nothing."
it will increase the turning radius but will also increase effort to turn steering
due to loss of leverage
i dont like the idea of all the steering force on one bolt like that
youre basicly doubleing the load on that one bolt

64CJ6Willy
12-31-2011, 08:45 PM
Nah your welds were fine. But that double layered tin frame of that thing was fun to work with.

vajayjay
12-31-2011, 08:54 PM
Nah your welds were fine. But that double layered tin frame of that thing was fun to work with.

Yeah it's interesting trying to weld good steel to those rails :D

andrewmacc
12-31-2011, 09:19 PM
step bits arent meant to go through anything more then half the thickness of each step even with oil. your normal bit dulled cus you were probably going to fast with it.

Touche. I was not aware of that factoid about the step bit. Thanks! Sounds like I'm grabbing a full-size bit then. There goes $30 :(


it will increase the turning radius but will also increase effort to turn steering
due to loss of leverage
i dont like the idea of all the steering force on one bolt like that
youre basicly doubleing the load on that one bolt

Yeah I understand the concern. The increase in turning radius is hugely beneficial, but the effort increase in turning will only be "mechanical", by that I mean I won't see the effort (hydraulic ram assist), but the bolt will. But I will be creating double shear tabs for that bolt, which will greatly decrease the shear load off the bolt. It's also a 3/4" bolt, so the extra meat of a large bolt alone makes me feel a little better.

Nah your welds were fine. But that double layered tin frame of that thing was fun to work with.

Hahah yeah it's a pretty ugly deal.. makes it impossible for everything to be 100% clean. Next time, accept a darn coffee or something. :p

Yeah it's interesting trying to weld good steel to those rails :D
I know.. makes you feel like you're wasting valuable steel. Darn tin boxes.


Also, on Monday (or Tues) I'm picking up a Lincoln 180 MIG. Money I didn't want to spend, but somebody suggested to see it as an investment that will last me for years. Who am I to argue? :D

4skin
01-01-2012, 03:09 AM
will your axle joints put up with this degree of turn???
check what the recomended max operating angle of your ujoint is
more angle less strength check spicers site there should be a chart
think i might have seen one on pirate
on your ram asisst make shure your rams travel and steering box travel is the same
i just tapped my box and have been doing alot of research on seting up the ram
if your tie rod travels say 5.5 inches you need a 5.5 stroke ram
think that was psc's site i read that on
if the ram travels more than the box it can worst case rip the box out
on the toyotas guys have sheared knuckle studs and broken steering arms and knuckles[cheers]

andrewmacc
01-01-2012, 06:50 AM
will your axle joints put up with this degree of turn???
check what the recomended max operating angle of your ujoint is
more angle less strength check spicers site there should be a chart
think i might have seen one on pirate
on your ram asisst make shure your rams travel and steering box travel is the same
i just tapped my box and have been doing alot of research on seting up the ram
if your tie rod travels say 5.5 inches you need a 5.5 stroke ram
think that was psc's site i read that on
if the ram travels more than the box it can worst case rip the box out
on the toyotas guys have sheared knuckle studs and broken steering arms and knuckles[cheers]

Dana 60s are supposed to be 40 degrees max steering. I will make sure that's where my stops are set at. I don't like damage that wasn't caused by me for throttle pedal reasons. :)

Definitely. From what I can recall, there is a definite possibility that I will have to disassemble the ram and put in a half inch or so spacer onto the ram of the shaft to prevent it from doing exactly as you say - popping the knuckles off, or shearing bolts, or sending my steering box flying.

I have a 6" swing steering arm, and a 6" pitman arm - but from what I can recall that doesn't necessarily mean the tierod only moves 6". I will most definitely be making a mark from lock to lock to see what the travel is and set it up accordingly. I'd rather not rip shit to shreds with this cute "frame" I have.

Thanks for the heads up. [36]


Yeah, odd time to be responding on New Years, but I just dropped my parents off at the Bellingham airport for a month vacation in Mexico. So I stopped my drinking pretty early, but I'm damn near as tired as I should be drunk.

64CJ6Willy
01-01-2012, 08:54 AM
Get some sleep Andrew. And yeah damn good heads-up 4skin

andrewmacc
01-03-2012, 08:34 PM
Get some sleep Andrew. And yeah damn good heads-up 4skin
Haha didn't managed to get any until the next night. [16]

Then pulled an allnighter by accident last night. Napped for a couple hours.

So I bought a MIG. It's the consumer version of yours, Art. (Oh and I finally found the difference between your 180T and the 180C: the T is tapped voltage, the C is continuous voltage.)

It's an "EASY MIG" 180, so it does use a plastic drive assembly. It's metal where it counts, but for $670 after tax in, I'm okay with that. If it breaks, I got it from Princess Auto, so it's a year warranty at the store (probably more if I keep the receipt and talk to people I still know there), and 3 year manufacturer. I still wanted that Miller, but $879 before tax wasn't sitting well with my wallet.

Went and leased a 120cf tank. More money! $70 annual and $45 to fill. Then a good large spool of .035, and went to town. Even made the girl run a few passes. Kept having issues with burnback - went out and got some tip dip, some new tips, loosened the spool wingnut slightly and tightened the drive tensioner and haven't had an issue since.

Burned on the inner stiffeners, but I have a few spots to put a bead once I move the jack holding the tranny up.

I know, boring update.


edit:
also, what's the best way to stop the center drooping of the molten metal during vertical up? I keep trying to bring it up and to the sides, but even then it has a large crown and drooping in the middle.

Always broke
01-03-2012, 08:44 PM
Haha didn't managed to get any until the next night. [16]

Then pulled an allnighter by accident last night. Napped for a couple hours.

So I bought a MIG. It's the consumer version of yours, Art. (Oh and I finally found the difference between your 180T and the 180C: the T is tapped voltage, the C is continuous voltage.)

It's an "EASY MIG" 180, so it does use a plastic drive assembly. It's metal where it counts, but for $670 after tax in, I'm okay with that. If it breaks, I got it from Princess Auto, so it's a year warranty at the store (probably more if I keep the receipt and talk to people I still know there), and 3 year manufacturer. I still wanted that Miller, but $879 before tax wasn't sitting well with my wallet.( Im upgrading my Miller 180 with cart and brand new never used spool gun for it for $800 if that helps ya I'm getting a 252)

Went and leased a 120cf tank. More money! $70 annual and $45 to fill. Then a good large spool of .035, and went to town. Even made the girl run a few passes. Kept having issues with burnback - went out and got some tip dip, some new tips, loosened the spool wingnut slightly and tightened the drive tensioner and haven't had an issue since.

Burned on the inner stiffeners, but I have a few spots to put a bead once I move the jack holding the tranny up.

I know, boring update.


edit:
also, what's the best way to stop the center drooping of the molten metal during vertical up? I keep trying to bring it up and to the sides, but even then it has a large crown and drooping in the middle.

64CJ6Willy
01-03-2012, 08:53 PM
edit:
also, what's the best way to stop the center drooping of the molten metal during vertical up? I keep trying to bring it up and to the sides, but even then it has a large crown and drooping in the middle.

Remember when I turned down the heat to stop burning thru your double layered frame?
You can answer your own Q then.

64CJ6Willy
01-03-2012, 09:06 PM
I'm a Miller fan too Todd.
Just needed the 180T for a day and kept it. My 251 with aluminum spool I have for work just doesn't fit in the jeep for fast jobs.
My Miller Tig 150 invertor is my favourite, but only my toy.
And on a footnote, I had a good talk with Andrew of what he should buy. More bang for the buck is what he saw working on his Heep.

fullsizebronco
01-03-2012, 11:19 PM
that looks like a pretty sweet little rig should work great when your done!

andrewmacc
01-03-2012, 11:51 PM
Thanks for the offer Todd! I'm gonna sit by this Lincoln for now though - gotta make sure I've got the skills before I start buying even more expensive equipment. :D

Remember when I turned down the heat to stop burning thru your double layered frame?
You can answer your own Q then.

I'll have to give that a try with a few pieces of scrap tomorrow. I just wasn't sure if turning the heat down would be good because of less penetration.. but I guess going vertical up digs fairly hard.

Silly two layer frames. [16]

I'm a Miller fan too Todd.
Just needed the 180T for a day and kept it. My 251 with aluminum spool I have for work just doesn't fit in the jeep for fast jobs.
My Miller Tig 150 invertor is my favourite, but only my toy.
And on a footnote, I had a good talk with Andrew of what he should buy. More bang for the buck is what he saw working on his Heep.

Yeah, Art sort of helped nudge me along on my decision. I had been hmm-hawing for weeks about a MIG. Kept thinking I'd get along just fine with my stick welder for projects like this.. but when I saw how fast and efficient Art was with the MIG, I knew it was time. Picked one up ASAP.


that looks like a pretty sweet little rig should work great when your done!

Thanks! We can only hope. :D I'm excited to even just drive to the gas station in it, it's been so long, hahah.



I did a tighter pass underneath it, but decided because it's only a 180 I'd do a second pass. Did it in sections at a time so I didn't distort the tubes (which is why it looks a little inconsistent, apparently my style changes with every new bead).. time will tell if I didn't wait long enough, because we'll see a good smiley face on my tube.


https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/s720x720/399743_2721760057610_1665330018_2434022_161138518_ n.jpg

64CJ6Willy
01-04-2012, 12:00 AM
[QUOTE=andrewmacc apparently my style changes with every new bead).. time will tell if I didn't wait long enough, because we'll see a good smiley face on my tube.

[/QUOTE]

Yeah i'm thinking your weave is looking good, and the fact you are not wanting to warp yer steel makes you gold.

Yee Hah bud!!!!

Punk in Drublic
01-04-2012, 12:01 AM
back step your welds and move around, dont weld out one area at once if ya got a few other things to do run a pass, tinker elsewhere, come back. only be an issue if your welding several inches at once.

64CJ6Willy
01-04-2012, 12:04 AM
back step your welds and move around, dont weld out one area at once if ya got a few other things to do run a pass, tinker elsewhere, come back. only be an issue if your welding several inches at once.

YUUUUUUUUUUPPPP!
Touche Sheldon. Damn Straight!

4skin
01-04-2012, 01:15 AM
yupp the vertical up is much better for penetration
when i was welding large equipment trailers
any vertical welds had to be done uphand
and the inspector could tell if ya cheated grinding them out and redoimg them suckedlol

andrewmacc
01-04-2012, 04:44 AM
Haha thanks guys. Good to have people watching my ass. Or, well, maybe watching their ass, seeing as I'll be on your roads. :confused0006:


Just kidding.

I was thinking tonight, and it might be possible to take the Jeep for a test drive by the end of the month. Maybe I can steal a friend's foot for a few hours when it comes time to bleed this bastard's brakes. Needs rear brake lines (hard and soft), has new calipers front and rear, which wouldn't be a big deal but:

a new master cylinder, too. And it needs new lines/fittings for it, too. Just the short ones to the prop valve (which I'll gut the o-ring out of because of the new rear discs, to see if I need to spring for a fancy adjustable one).


Here's my list, maybe more for my sake.. it's big, but a lot of it is easy to scratch off:

- brakes, in general. Calipers, brackets, brake lines, m/c, bleed
- Weld up upper link tower.. in the correct spot, of course, and gusset it to the panhard bracket
- make new frameside panhard bracket and weld the sucker
- Nitro charge coilovers (Holeshot Motorsports), fix the schrader valve (my bad)
- measure and weld shock hoops (already notched to length and ready)
- new bolts all over
- transfercase mounting and shifting
- Weld steering links
- Figure out where to mount the hydro assist cylinder (might make a tower for it)
- hydraulic steering hose
- finish rebuilding the outers for the D60 (using the old wheel bearings etc for mockup)
- lots of paint, lots of grease, and lots of oil (t/c, tranny, diffs, engine)
- rear shock tabs and bolts, torque u-bolts and trim the suckers
- wish I left this thing alone
- take the sheet metal 'round back and make it go the way of Ol Yeller
- air hammer the studs in farther, couldn't get them to seat fully
- have Kal Tire align it.. just for the first one, to get caster dialed in exactly
- exhaust. d'oh.

I really don't want to keep adding more, and I know there is more.



Oh my god it's never getting finished. Hahahaha.

[16]


edit: I think I must have been having bad dreams about this:
http://www.funinbc.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=142955&stc=1&d=1307400053


That must be why I'm doing this. Never swimming in mud again. Haha.

edit: man I talk too much, 6 pages and it's not even on all 4 wheels yet!

procircuit
01-04-2012, 08:52 AM
Going great man, its suprising how fast the list drops when your working away.. drop a pm if you ever need an extra hand, im close to cloverhole..

Happypants
01-04-2012, 09:44 PM
what kinda tires are those? or did you cut them?

Had some help from my friend Nicktierney, a good buddy of mine. He's an XJ guy, lives on the island now. Wouldn't have got the steering in place so quickly without him. The panhard and draglink is identical in length, and damn near identical in angle. It may be off ever so slightly when the pitman arm is seated further on the splines, but not by much. We'll see!

Sort of annoyed. The Ruff Stuff kit is supposed to be 5/8" bolts ACCORDING to their site, for the control arms - but instead only ONE is 5/8", which is the one in the upper bracket which is threaded (a fine thread, mind you). All the others are 3/4" misalignment spacers. So EVEN though their site specifically says to drill the brackets to 5/8", I have to redrill them with them already attached to the axle and frame to 3/4" holes. Not very happy about that, but partially my fault for not checking before I drilled and bought bolts.

Clearances are tight, which is to be expected. All the stores were closed so I will get steel and bolts tomorrow so I can replace the 5/8" bolts and make the panhard bracket to replace those 2 little straps.


https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/381207_2674625439274_1665330018_2408261_1118103993 _n.jpg


It's pretty tall, but if I get everything working, it shouldn't be hellacious to put it down a couple inches.


https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/401230_2674627039314_1665330018_2408262_1338300916 _n.jpg

4skin
01-05-2012, 01:02 AM
i set mine up to have 4 inches up travel
i have about 1/2 past full bump and stuff will hit
wanted to keep it as low as possible think my frame to diff clearance as close to stock
just make shure you hit your bumps before anything else hits
would realy suck to have a link mount punch a hole in the oil pan or bust your steering

andrewmacc
01-05-2012, 03:43 PM
Going great man, its suprising how fast the list drops when your working away.. drop a pm if you ever need an extra hand, im close to cloverhole..
Yeah, sometimes you get so much done in a day.. it's great.

Other days you spend the whole weekend trying to line up a single bracket. [16]

what kinda tires are those? or did you cut them?
They're cut Open Countrys. Bought them for mockup, honestly, but they have enough tread (like 40 to 50 percent) that I'll be comfortable using them for a few months. Only two are cut.

i set mine up to have 4 inches up travel
i have about 1/2 past full bump and stuff will hit
wanted to keep it as low as possible think my frame to diff clearance as close to stock
just make shure you hit your bumps before anything else hits
would realy suck to have a link mount punch a hole in the oil pan or bust your steering
The plan is to be set up for 5" up travel. I will have no bumpstops only until I flex it out. I have no provisions for flexing it out in my garage, so I want it driving, then I'll find a nice little industrial ramp and park the sucker on it slowly.

I will have really tight clearance between the link mount, panhard mount, drag link and panhard bar.

In other words, we'll see. :D

Hahaha.

Update:
been putting stuff together. Welded the steering links, didn't weld the panhard bar yet. Welded the panhard brackets. Welded the upper link mounts. I'm about 85% sure I'll be ripping off the upper link frame side mount to put in a better one. I don't like it.

Also ditching my crossmember. Going to make yet another new one. This will be third time's the charm. I don't like it, and the bolt sleeves are just annoying. I will weld the piss out of them so they're not mud traps. Hopefully I can cannibalize stuff off it though. Lots of wasted effort overall.

andrewmacc
01-07-2012, 02:18 PM
Didn't get everything done, was doing birthday stuff for my girlfriend, and then having a little party at my house tonight. Although I hate that word. :\

Anyway, I did manage to cannibalize my entire crossmember, using some tube flanges. I'll post up pics after. I welded up the middle, but I have to weld the frame standoffs now. And create a small 1/4" plate step where the bolts go, because I used oval flanges for 1.5" round tube, and I'm using them with 2"x2" square, so the welds on the flange are stopping the bolts from seating properly.

Also, I got my coilovers back from Holeshot. For a dealership service, I'm not unhappy with the cost. They replaced my schrader valve and cap, bled and refilled with shock oil (the busted schrader leaked all the oil out) and charged them both to 150psi with nitrogen for $66 before tax.

I'd love to keep working on it, but them's the breaks. Heading up to a friend's right now to watch him weld up some aluminum ski-doo handlebars.

4skin
01-08-2012, 02:39 AM
this is how close mine are
150599bout1/2in between oil pan and driveshaft

150600 about 1/4 between upper link mount and trackbar
the bracket underneath tie rod is for the ram assist
only place i had to mount it
just so you know it will all fit somehow lol[cheers]

andrewmacc
01-09-2012, 06:53 PM
this is how close mine are
]bout1/2in between oil pan and driveshaft

about 1/4 between upper link mount and trackbar
the bracket underneath tie rod is for the ram assist
only place i had to mount it
just so you know it will all fit somehow lol[cheers]
:eek:

Jebus. Tight clearances indeed! That looks like it was fun..




Managed to spook myself, was moving the axle around and had it drop straight onto the ground.. the disc brake bracket landed an inch from my foot. I blame myself for not listening to others' advice about using more jack stands.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/399973_2758190008336_1665330018_2449767_1966000417 _n.jpg


Anyway, took me some time to heft it back up myself.

Tacked up the shock hoops with my buddy. Will have to do something about the tabs, though, I think I took too much material off them..

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/377396_2759296956009_1665330018_2450049_1410719529 _n.jpg

Happypants
01-09-2012, 07:01 PM
make sure you plug your knock sensor back in hehe

64CJ6Willy
01-09-2012, 08:05 PM
Buildin Buildin Buildin. Gettin there bud, lookin good.

andrewmacc
01-10-2012, 10:21 AM
make sure you plug your knock sensor back in hehe

Knowing me, I'm going to do something like filling the power steering reservoir with all the lines still unhooked. Forgetting to plug the knock sensor back in will be low on the list of my forgotten items. lol

Buildin Buildin Buildin. Gettin there bud, lookin good.
One step at a time! I put some stronger tacks on and tried to mount up the coilovers, but I'm definitely going to have to drop the axle to the ground again.. I tried jacking the Jeep up a bit to see if I could get it high enough to bolt them in, but no bueno.

So that's the goal for today.
My TIG welder buddy is coming down to look at the Jeep, he wants a weekend project so he wants to make me a rear bumper.


As well as waiting on this:
http://www.ruffstuffspecialties.com/catalog/XMEMKIT.html

So I can make my new crossmember, again, this time out of 1.5" .250 wall DOM. I temporarily welded the old crossmember straight to my frame rail to hold the transmission up while I get the coilovers in (+ I want to roll the Jeep out and sweep again), so I'll have to cut those 1" beads off.

BleepinJeep
01-10-2012, 10:53 AM
Andrew that was fuckin classic watching you swim in the tank trap, what a stink! Cant beleive you didnt rip the axle off being pulled out

andrewmacc
01-10-2012, 09:11 PM
Andrew that was fuckin classic watching you swim in the tank trap, what a stink! Cant beleive you didnt rip the axle off being pulled out
Let's not do that again. :o

On weight but way too high. I have about 3" of preload on it, so I'll take the weight off and let off the adjustor.
Plus I had calculated for a winch and bumper so that will really bring the front down.

Alright, so:
it's all just tacked together, ergo the jackstands you see. Somehow I need to flex it out.
The angles on the coilovers aren't symmetrical, so I'll have to fix that. The problem is that with the steering connected, the axle moves to the driver's side on full droop, so it's difficult to get the coilovers at the correct angle. . I'm confused by this, though. The drag link and panhard are the exact same length, and same angle. I suppose that's just normal behaviour?


Wish I had got them symmetrical before I got them nitrogen charged, would have been easier.


I'm not excited to tear it down again to move and adjust stuff. I had to put a few big fat tacks on, so cleaning it all off will be such a nuisance.

Bah.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/408137_2766336171985_1665330018_2452239_18805111_n .jpg

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/378114_2766340212086_1665330018_2452241_1195346748 _n.jpg

4skin
01-10-2012, 11:50 PM
get it siting down at ride hite adjust track bar to center diff
dont start cutting it back apart all your angles and stuff looked good when you had it sitting roughly at ride hite
yes its normal for the diff to swing to the side track bar is mounted
its the track bar not the steering pulling it over
thats why its important to try to have drag link and track bar
same length and angle otherwise it will bump steer
one of the problems with this type of suspension
looks good dont panic[36]

andrewmacc
01-11-2012, 04:43 PM
get it siting down at ride hite adjust track bar to center diff
dont start cutting it back apart all your angles and stuff looked good when you had it sitting roughly at ride hite
yes its normal for the diff to swing to the side track bar is mounted
its the track bar not the steering pulling it over
thats why its important to try to have drag link and track bar
same length and angle otherwise it will bump steer
one of the problems with this type of suspension
looks good dont panic[36]
Oddly enough, it was just a bunch of stuff throwing off the look of the angles.
Took my angle finder, and both coilovers were at 5* outward, and around 10* forward. Pretty much perfect IMO. +/- a little, I'm no scientist. :P

They can be tweaked ever so slightly, especially at the axle end.. the heims already want to max out, so I'll put some tube spacers in between the bracket to let it flex out a little more, as well as angle the brackets back - they're directly perpendicular to the axle right now, because I thought I'd do the coilovers straight up and down.

The axle LOOKS centered :dontknow: I'm gonna do more measurements, because looking at it doesn't tell me squat because of the loose spindle nuts... the tires can literally move about an inch and a half in and out on both sides (I can NOT find my damn $40 spindle socket)


Oh, and bitches ain't shit! [36]

(still too high in the front, but I still have to put the t/c, pass. seat, winch, bumper in)

http://photos-f.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/388686_2771568502790_1665330018_2454386_1364016416 _n.jpg

(don't worry, I blocked off all 4 tires after that picture)

64CJ6Willy
01-11-2012, 04:50 PM
Nice. It's rolling!

England
01-11-2012, 05:01 PM
gooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooood work mate

andrewmacc
01-11-2012, 05:08 PM
Nice. It's rolling!

Hahah, finally! [36]
It's still a delicate little flower, though, I just put very small beads on everything in case I have to take it apart.

gooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooood work mate
Thanks! I hope to test drive it this month.


I was saying on bcjc that I'm really disappointed at the height of it. I am. It needs to be 4" lower. I should have realized this would happen from the start. Really unhappy with that. I can get it lower with a new leaf pack and much taller shock hoops (I've got room for another 3" or more in the engine bay I think). Other than that, I may have to go to stock knuckle hole steering.

It's doable, so I WILL lower it probably quite soon, but I just want to drive it first. :mad0217:

Happypants
01-11-2012, 06:08 PM
how high is it over stock height? mine is 10" over stock, and i would leave the front like that, remember your going to have about 100+ extra pounds on there once you add a winch and bumper and shit plus your springs will soften up a bit once you use them, what i would do/suggest is leave it the way it is for a bit and wheel it and if you still dont like it or it dosent level out, then change things over, but thats just my opinion, thats all,

otherwise looks great,

4skin
01-11-2012, 07:15 PM
looks like youve got about 8 inches or more shaft showing on your shocks
thats what you need to look at for ride hite you want 4to 6 in showing whatever you want for up travel
raising the shocks will sacrifice down travel
happy pants is right get the weight on it
also think you have your coils upside down on the shocks
the lighter coil goes on top heavier one on bottom
soft coil colapses till sleive hits the adjuster nut then your on the heavier coil
hard to tell in the pix

Taxidermy
01-11-2012, 10:36 PM
Great looking Jeep Cheroke. Nice work. I really like the height on your vehicle!

Hellboy
01-11-2012, 10:36 PM
That looks awesome. It looks weird in the pic but it seems like the rear doesnt have alot of room to flex before it rubs. Could be an optical illusion though

Good work

andrewmacc
01-12-2012, 05:18 AM
how high is it over stock height? mine is 10" over stock, and i would leave the front like that, remember your going to have about 100+ extra pounds on there once you add a winch and bumper and shit plus your springs will soften up a bit once you use them, what i would do/suggest is leave it the way it is for a bit and wheel it and if you still dont like it or it dosent level out, then change things over, but thats just my opinion, thats all,

otherwise looks great,

Yeah, I think you're right. I'm gonna remeasure everything, but I figured on suspension I was about 8.5" of lift over stock. It's too much, but at the same time, "inches of lift" is different if you end up comparing say, a TJ vs an XJ. An XJ has more belly height stock than a TJ, but the roof is lower. Granted it has more weight up top, having an actual roof, but still.. it's tall, but I've seen pretty normal measurements of TJs at like 78" or so to the top of the cage.
I'm (when I checked last) like 77" to the drip rail. I'd have to check again, I know it's moved since then.

So yeah. I will keep it like this until everything settles, and if I feel floppy, I'll THEN bring it down ASAP.

looks like youve got about 8 inches or more shaft showing on your shocks
thats what you need to look at for ride hite you want 4to 6 in showing whatever you want for up travel
raising the shocks will sacrifice down travel
happy pants is right get the weight on it
also think you have your coils upside down on the shocks
the lighter coil goes on top heavier one on bottom
soft coil colapses till sleive hits the adjuster nut then your on the heavier coil
hard to tell in the pix
Looks like a lot showing, but it's almost exactly right where I want. There's 5.1" of shaft showing, which is precisely where I calculated. The passenger side will need just the slightest tweak. (If you're going by the pic in the garage, the preload adjusters were cranked like 3" too much, so yeah there was 8" of shaft! Haha.

It should just be the weird lighting, the upper coils are the shorter ones (12") and they're lighter. The lowers are 16" and are a heavier springrate. Just weird lighting. Of course, knowing me, I bet I put one of them backwards, so I'll check in the morning.

Thanks for having my ass covered guys. [36]


Great looking Jeep Cheroke. Nice work. I really like the height on your vehicle!
Thanks! Took a little time, some money, and a lot of research. When I rolled it out, I was all grins (aside from my little complaints). There's certainly some tweaking to be done, and some finger crossing and select curse words to come yet, but it's getting there.

That looks awesome. It looks weird in the pic but it seems like the rear doesnt have alot of room to flex before it rubs. Could be an optical illusion though

Good work

Oh no, you're definitely right. The rear hasn't even been trimmed yet. I literally popped the flares off and went to town getting it together. I bet if you flexed it like an inch and a half it would rub right now.

andrewmacc
01-13-2012, 11:56 PM
So I figured out that I can lower it 2" like right away. New shackles and angle the mounts differently. What say you guys?

andrewmacc
01-16-2012, 11:18 PM
Alright, was going back and forth about it. I'm just going to keep it the height it is for now. I can lower it some other time. I've started to get more comfortable with the height, and with wanting to try out 40" tires, I'd have to do some massive cutting in the rear to stay lower. Which I will do when I start turning this thing ugly.

Anyway. Third and final rendition of a simple crossmember. Just hated it every time.

I will gusset the tranny plate some, as well as possibly the frame plates as well. I have to grind out 2 welds on them, I got some really bizarre porosity on two of them. I left them there just for tonight because I wanted this crossmember in, so I can roll the darn Jeep back inside:




https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/382783_2807577202985_1665330018_2468016_217958748_ n.jpg

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/398638_2807604843676_1665330018_2468019_1716928430 _n.jpg



Oh, also, I bought a foot of tube.. with the angle I put my coilovers on, they're maxing out the little rod ends very quickly. So I will cut off 1/4" of tube and space out the mounts by a total of 1/2", giving the rod ends much more misalignment.

andrewmacc
01-18-2012, 03:51 PM
Rolled it into the garage with help from Todd. It's sitting in there just defrosting.. the garage floor is an ice rink right now.

Todd gave me a little toy to play with:
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/401242_2812112876374_1665330018_2469249_1838365930 _n.jpg


Anyway, turned my attention to my hydraulic ram because of my skating rink garage (there was a lot of snow on the Jeep even after I shoveled a bunch off):

This 1.5" PSC ram uses a spanner wrench with a 1-1/4" spacing. I used an angle grinder spanner wrench, ground down to fit the shaft, and bent it out a bit (it was a hair over 1-1/8" spacing). I clamped the ram in my vise between two pieces of wood so I could really crank down without marring the tube.

http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/9171/imagedqc.jpg

The gland (I think?) coming out:

http://img864.imageshack.us/img864/6145/imageype.jpg

Pull a little harder and the piston (I... think..?) will follow:

http://img813.imageshack.us/img813/7506/imagebhm.jpg


Now. I have a pitman arm that is 6" long. The high steer arm hole I am using is also 6" (it has provisions for using an 8" hole but if you read my previous posts about my clearance problems..). Because the two distances are matched up, I should get full lock-to-lock steering.

The problem was that when I bought the ram I was going to use it for the 8" stroke of the knuckle hole steering. So now I have to destroke the ram by 2" to turn it into a 6" throw ram, or else I run the risk of popping the studs off from the ram's power. Technically it would hit relief when I hit the end of my throw, but after talking to a PSC techie, he said that before it hits relief, the PSI ramps up to max and could still easily shear my studs.


So I made a 2" spacer to fit the rod.
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/402848_2819475180427_1665330018_2471159_90265584_n .jpg


I was going to post this later when I reassembled it, but I'm waiting for the anti-rust paint to dry on the spacer. I hate waiting for paint. I was going to use an aluminum or stainless steel spacer, but weather is shit and I had this handy, and I see no problem using mild steel.

BuckNaked
01-18-2012, 06:26 PM
duuude that is gonna be one mean machine, lookin good!

andrewmacc
01-18-2012, 06:46 PM
duuude that is gonna be one mean machine, lookin good!
Thank you!

Of course, that's taking for granted that it won't fall apart when I start it up again. :D

Who knows! My future plans: more cutting (as in, more cutting even after I cut up for this segment of my project), much lower, 40"s, new upper link mount on the frame side, may have to ditch high steer when I lower it.. and then leave it the eff alone, because it's just a freakin Cherokee.

Also scratching my head at how much floor I'll be cutting out for the transfercase.. I kinda shot myself in the foot with tucking everything so high with my crossmember. I'll likely have to modify the driver's side seat mount.

I made a call and had a crack team of engineers come out here and construct a lightweight model of my Dana 300. It's accurate to within +/- a millionth of an inch, and is nigh indestructible.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/409168_2820208038748_1665330018_2471667_1898280724 _n.jpg

64CJ6Willy
01-18-2012, 11:47 PM
I made a call and had a Crack team of engineers come out here and construct a lightweight model of my Dana 300. It's accurate to within +/- a millionth of an inch, and is nigh indestructible.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/409168_2820208038748_1665330018_2471667_1898280724 _n.jpg

Don't ya need a yokal and a hole to smoke that crack?


Looking good bud, and be glad ya don't have the 19" of snow we have here.

4skin
01-19-2012, 02:07 AM
not shure if im reading this wrong or not but did you measure the lock to lock
of your steering ie travel of tie rod
or are you going by the distance from center pin to hole on steering arm??
were your tie rod mounts
length of pitman and steering arm is irelevant to how much stroke the ram is
travel of tie rod lock to lock is
say your steering box turns 30 degrees lock to lock and moves tie rod 6nches
now if steering box turns 40 degrees lock to lock tie rod travels farther
and a six inch ram is now limiting steering but box is still trying to turn it
the only way is to turn it to full lock clamp or tack a pointer to diff over tie rod make a mark on tie rod
turn steering full lock other way mark the tie rod measure between marks thats how much stroke your ram needs to be
you want steering box and ram to reach end of travel at same time

andrewmacc
01-19-2012, 01:29 PM
Don't ya need a yokal and a hole to smoke that crack?


Looking good bud, and be glad ya don't have the 19" of snow we have here.
Hahaha for a second I thought you were saying I was on crack for making that contraption there. Then I saw you capitalized the "Crack". lol

not shure if im reading this wrong or not but did you measure the lock to lock
of your steering ie travel of tie rod
or are you going by the distance from center pin to hole on steering arm??
were your tie rod mounts
length of pitman and steering arm is irelevant to how much stroke the ram is
travel of tie rod lock to lock is
say your steering box turns 30 degrees lock to lock and moves tie rod 6nches
now if steering box turns 40 degrees lock to lock tie rod travels farther
and a six inch ram is now limiting steering but box is still trying to turn it
the only way is to turn it to full lock clamp or tack a pointer to diff over tie rod make a mark on tie rod
turn steering full lock other way mark the tie rod measure between marks thats how much stroke your ram needs to be
you want steering box and ram to reach end of travel at same time

I measured it all!

From the center of the kingpin to the high steer arm hole: 6"
Center of sector shaft to pitman arm hole: 6"
Actual measured tie rod travel from lock to lock: 6"


Length of pitman and steering arm is relevant in trying to achieve full steering, but you're right that it doesn't affect ram stroke length. If your pitman arm and steering arm lengths are mismatched, unless you create a higher degree of turning (guy used a J20 box with the cap ground down to get more steering), you won't get the full throw out of a typical box. Or, the opposite can be true as well - the box will try to keep turning, and the knuckle will have been maxed out already.

I think I've got it all figured out now, thankfully. If not, I'll be back here saying "I sheared my studs off, help!" :eek:

4skin
01-19-2012, 04:18 PM
ok wasnt shure guess its shit house luck it worked out to be 6 inches lol

andrewmacc
01-19-2012, 05:46 PM
ok wasnt shure guess its shit house luck it worked out to be 6 inches lol
Hahaha yeah I'm never that lucky though, so just wait and see. :D



I was sitting on my ass underneath the Jeep like 10 minutes ago. I just tore down the front end again, cleaned up the shock hoops, tabs and standoffs from the tack welds. Coilovers back out. <delete pity rant>

andrewmacc
01-24-2012, 02:35 AM
Alright well I've got a game plan. Haven't really touched the Jeep other than tearing it back down to retry all the mounts. Made some spacers. Was humming and hawing for the last week trying to figure out what to do about the height (without spending money on leaf packs http://www.jeepforum.com/ubb/biggrin.gif ), so I'm going to remove the second shortest leaf, put on my slightly shorter shackles, and hopefully that will lower it like an inch more. Then I'll match the front to it.

With a ladder bar coming in the future, I'm hoping that removing that second leaf won't add too much more axle wrap for now. I'll be careful about full throttle assaults until I get a bar in there. And it's not like I'm towing boats with this thing, so the lessened load cap. isn't much of a concern.

Hopefully I'll get most of that done tomorrow, and maybe I'll finally be happy with the height, what with all my whining lately! I can't go much lower, I think, unless I ditch my high steer. Which it may come to in the future.

fullsizebronco
01-27-2012, 08:24 PM
that thing is huge! cant wait to see it done!

deer laredo
01-29-2012, 07:31 PM
lots of work

andrewmacc
01-30-2012, 07:59 PM
that thing is huge! cant wait to see it done!
Thanks man! [36]
lots of work

You bet your ass, hahah.


The Jeep is currently sitting all its weight on jack stands.. I tore down the rear again. Waiting for my shackles to come in. I didn't want to use stock shackles because I wanted an inch longer, not for the lift, but for the swing of the leaf springs, but in reality I bet I won't get much uptravel with these leaf packs even with a leaf removed. (I'll do 4.5" packs and longer shackles later.)

Disc conversion:
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/p480x480/431336_2900326041648_1665330018_2497607_18412832_n .jpg

Cut down stock bumpstops, drilled in the middle to slide over the coilover shafts. As well, going to experiment with these axle straps for limit straps. They're rated for 10,000lbs, I see no reason why they should be inadequate. I'll watch for stretching though.

http://img585.imageshack.us/img585/5333/imagejlr.jpg

Happypants
01-30-2012, 08:04 PM
looks good, and thoes straps wont stretch, i use them on my trailer to hold the jeep down and they work great,

Mattster
01-30-2012, 09:44 PM
Wow that is alot of stinkin work you've done.

andrewmacc
01-31-2012, 11:04 PM
looks good, and thoes straps wont stretch, i use them on my trailer to hold the jeep down and they work great,
Good! I may try to weld a tab in with lots of meat so I can drill a 1/2" hole.. good/bad idea?

Wow that is alot of stinkin work you've done.

Yessirree.


Put the shackles in. Needs to settle I think, 90* brutal shackle angle and doesn't quite look 2" lower.. but this is straight off the jack stands so I think it needs to flex a bit.
.. Does it even look 2" lower? I went from 2" lift shackles (about 7-1/8" eye to eye, to stock shackles at 3" eye to eye). Whatever, short term fix.. with the big 6.5" pack it wants to invert on droop, and the shackle length will limit uptravel too. Short term fix. Will do either 53" Chevs or just shackle relocation with 4.5" packs and longer shackles again (I can't friggin find my other Rubicon shackle).

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/p480x480/407641_2917286665653_1665330018_2502932_1589653999 _n.jpg

Also brought home with me:
1.5" ID tube clamp for easier hydro assist shite
http://mad4wd.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=146

And ordered:
TMR 15-bolt conversion
http://www.tmrcustoms.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=11&products_id=1286
will come Feb 7th.. taking so long because it's a Canadian company and I ordered it to my place in the States to get around HST charges, saved me $16.. and entered pirate4x4 into coupon code and saved another $15.. and it's free shipping!

andrewmacc
02-07-2012, 08:26 PM
Really only posting to ask a favour, but I'll update a bit too.

Does anyone know of, or have, a pitman arm that is 6" center to center, and we'll say a 2.5"-ish drop? I may have to run back to Steering Solutions and rummage through his bin again. My steering is perfectly fine, but I'm trying to get the angles slightly lower. I can go one bolt hole down on the panhard which is like 1.5" lower or so.


--------------------------


Updates:

- none.

Hahah. I redid my shock hoops a bit, still mocking them up so they're symmetrical.. which is oddly frustrating to get just so..

Been working on the Thunderbird that's in my garage so I can drive that instead of my POS German car with no power steering. Fuel pump went out on the T-bird so I've been dropping the tank today. For some reason either I suck or it just REALLY sucks to work on low cars (it's not super crazy low but it does have Eibach lowering springs on it). It's been in the garage for 6 years so have spiders crawling all over me as I work on it. Not enjoyable.

I have to weld the exhaust back up because it was totally seized up. I tried to cut it in a spot where I can sorta run around it with the MIG without removing anything. Gas tank is 95% out, but the rubber hoses are stuuuck onto the steel fittings so it's just hanging there. Then have to reassemble the front end, get it painted, and I can drive it. Nothing to it, right? :D



A cool little equation for your steering:
credit to someone on PBB, I can't seem to find where I grabbed this

""If the 6.75 Pitman arm lentgh (PAL) is exactly matched to a 7.25 steering arm length (SAL), it would result in a steering box shaft angle (SBA) of 43.65 degrees from center to lock. According to the dana 60 bible, a stock 60 can tolerate 40 degrees from center to lock. I will call this axle angle (AA).

I can not verify the steering box angle at this time but if someone could, then it would decrease the margin of error here.

Regardless, The figures your need are just ratios so if the SBA is found to be different then this equation can be adjsuted accordingly.

(PAL*sin(SBA)) / sin(AA) = SAL

So for the situation that you described using a 5.5” arm

(5.5*sin(43.65)) / sin(40) = 5.906 SAL""


So for me, it's (6*sin(43.65))/sin(40) = 6.44" SAL. Which is damn near perfect, as I have a 6.5" steering arm.

andrewmacc
02-20-2012, 07:49 PM
Nothing big, just got shock hoops in. Got a new job, which is nice. Fuck warehouses, that got old in a week.

After lowering it 2", I had to make longer frame doodads. Just 2"x2", mitred and capped. Tore off the frameside panhard bracket. I've been giving it the evil eye for a month now. It didn't leave without a fight though, left a bloody mess all over the frame stiffeners which I'll have to clean up.

Shit lighting, I know. But that's literally what I'm working in, my work lights died.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/166942_3068608208597_1665330018_2556498_288701849_ n.jpg

andrewmacc
02-20-2012, 11:10 PM
Well. I pretty much fucked up. Like a total fool I welded up my mounts. This is past full droop, but nonetheless, you may be able to spot the problem. I have no idea what I'm going to do right now,

suggestions?

(The coilovers max out before I can even bolt it into the bottom mount.. ie the wheelbase reduces too much on droop)

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/p480x480/425770_3069330706659_1665330018_2556948_1469486125 _n.jpg


And no don't ask why I didn't check for this before I welded them up. I actually have no idea.

64CJ6Willy
02-20-2012, 11:47 PM
Umm no weight on those tire ya got there.... Did ya try without jackstands?

andrewmacc
02-21-2012, 12:15 AM
Umm no weight on those tire ya got there.... Did ya try without jackstands?
Que? :confused: I don't think I understand.

64CJ6Willy
02-21-2012, 12:18 AM
oh wait..... is that the end of your limit straps?

i was thinking droop without connection to frame or without tires attached, but now realize my personal retardness for not reading correctly

64CJ6Willy
02-21-2012, 12:20 AM
Box in yer hoops thus lowering yer shock height. IE make a ladder system that allows ya a few connection spots

procircuit
02-22-2012, 09:09 AM
Done yet?

andrewmacc
02-22-2012, 07:32 PM
Done yet?
asshole2
Nooo not yet.



https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/429694_3083354617248_1665330018_2561708_1482537924 _n.jpg


Got it bolted up anyhow. Did the bottom bolt first then jacked it into position. It will work for now, but I'm already calling in a favour to get some tube bent to make the new mounts, a) because it'll be the proper way, b) it should be stronger, and c) unfortunately I sorta bent out like a couple ears on the mounts to get them in.

But anyway. 2" lower. The front is higher again because I need to unthread the adjusters. Again. Silly.

Crap lighting but I rolled it out as it was getting dark and just wanted picture proof.

And Art, I came up with a solution. Gonna switch the top bolt 90*, which is proper shock orientation anyhow. It'll have a small hoop off the top of the hoop, horizontal, and gusseted to hell and back. Hard to explain in text.

andrewmacc
02-23-2012, 06:07 PM
Monty on bcjc came up with an even better idea, so keep your eyes open for when I post it in the future. It's ridiculously simple but I love the idea, and should actually look pretty decent too - having a buddy cut it out on his CNC.



PFFF who needs uptravel!

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/422006_3088913796224_1665330018_2563764_171841054_ n.jpg

And here it looks like a Messican lowrider with the rear on bumpstops and the front jumping with hydraulics:

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/423389_3088919356363_1665330018_2563772_1935448350 _n.jpg


And one last shot, simply because its current status? Ballin' out of control! (cringe)

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/430305_3088922036430_1665330018_2563776_1784373859 _n.jpg


You guys will have to excuse the highly nontechnical pictures here (and the excessive amount), I may have mentioned this is my first real build so it's really exciting to see it coming along.

Hellboy
02-23-2012, 10:11 PM
Nothin wrong with pics.... Im pretty sure lots of us were thekids in school who looked at all the pictures but didnt read shit... :D

Is ur rear tire touching the fender at ride height? Time to bust out the zipcut

64CJ6Willy
02-23-2012, 10:25 PM
Lookin good Andrew. You've done alot to be where you are.
Be proud.
Proud of the errors that made solutions, and solutions that prevented mistakes. Nice rig all the way!
Looking forward to the continuing progress, and wheelin with ya soon side by side.

andrewmacc
02-24-2012, 07:17 PM
Nothin wrong with pics.... Im pretty sure lots of us were thekids in school who looked at all the pictures but didnt read shit... :D

Is ur rear tire touching the fender at ride height? Time to bust out the zipcut
Oooooh buddy yes indeed it is. Well, damn close anyway. I get a whopping 1" or so of flex before the fender touches. oh yeah I think I'll be golden!

Lookin good Andrew. You've done alot to be where you are.
Be proud.
Proud of the errors that made solutions, and solutions that prevented mistakes. Nice rig all the way!
Looking forward to the continuing progress, and wheelin with ya soon side by side.

Thanks Art! I feel proud to say that I agree, I have done a lot! A lot of homework, research, a lot of mistakes (a LOT), but I've learned so much from just jumping into this with both feet. I didn't tip toe around it - the first day I got back from vacation that rear axle was gone and I was cutting and welding, haha!

I know, after all this, I guess I better get out there and we'll do a good wheeling trip (maybe a mild one first? :roll eyes). Let's hope she doesn't break on her maiden voyage!



It was too rainy to bother for more, my little jack had enough of it, couldn't take it anymore.. and there are a few expected clearance issues before I can flex it more anyhow. Like rear fenders (couldn't flex more than like an inch there), panhard bracket to coil retainer (I've known this for a month or two, just waiting on my friggin' plasma cutter), and the shock tabs, which I shall be eliminating with my plasma as well in favour of the other mounts. Also, I will be using lower axleside coilover mounts. Trying to get as much available adjustment as possible.

I had 5.5" of shaft down travel left, and 3.5" left of shaft up travel. So in other words I didn't really flex anything. :laugh: I was just bored, so don't take it as a flex test maxing out everything! I'd have been better off on my stock axles and 33"s if that were so.

http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/428331_3094672220181_1665330018_2567184_824675933_ n.jpg

Casselman
02-24-2012, 08:10 PM
its coming together nicely andrew.... its big :eek:

andrewmacc
03-10-2012, 09:12 PM
its coming together nicely andrew.... its big :eek:
Thanks Corey! It's getting there, eveeerr so slowly.


Nope, I'm not dead yet.

I rolled the Jeep back in, cut off all the upper and lower axles mounts, and ground them smooth, ground out some welds and redid them, carefully cut the weld on the drag link and pulled the insert out (gotta shorten the panhard (not welded) and the drag link by an inch or so), got a new compressor and got my plasma cutter back, etc etc.

Been waiting on my buddy from work to finally make the upper mounts on his Torchmate (he's crazy busy so I'm just waiting..)

Took the steering stops out, got a lot more steering, (I'll take a pic later, it's all torn down again), gotta disassemble the ram again for a 1/2" spacer. Tells you how much more steering I got: I had a 2" spacer inside the ram to make it a 6" ram, but now I need it to be a 7.5". Not too much effort involved thankfully.

They'll look something like this, I don't need the adjustability so much so just the one hole and the rest are fancy speed holes.
http://img560.imageshack.us/img560/7183/60807109.jpg


Bye bye mounts (silly plasma cutter slag from gouging them)
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/420814_3160625748978_1665330018_2596026_44641976_n .jpg

new compressor too! much nicer with the plasma cutter. Got it from my buddy's uncle:
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/428768_3155081610378_1665330018_2593833_246542908_ n.jpg


And finally went blue!
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/427567_3181042259378_1665330018_2605418_1503274416 _n.jpg

Hellboy
03-10-2012, 10:41 PM
Mm nice compressor and miller...

Mattster
03-11-2012, 12:54 PM
I wanna see this thing in action. I can't wait to start building my heep.

andrewmacc
03-12-2012, 09:06 PM
Mm nice compressor and miller...
Thanks! Yeah it's making life a lot easier. Can finally use the small amount of air tools I've gathered over the years.
oh yeah
I wanna see this thing in action. I can't wait to start building my heep.

Soon enough! What's the plans for your Heep?


Got the girlfriend working on the Jeep, taking out the driver's seat and cutting the carpet up.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/p480x480/416919_3188695930715_1665330018_2609331_1422740667 _n.jpg

Starting making more speed holes.
Well.
Not quite speed holes. :cool:
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/p480x480/426903_3194875085190_1665330018_2612156_108544888_ n.jpg

http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/5519/imagehpc.jpg

Happypants
03-12-2012, 10:19 PM
theres my box!!! i was wondering where it went :D

good to see ya got the ol`lady in there working on it with ya, mandy always helps me work on mine, she put all my doors on my xj and bolted my t-case up for me :D

your CO hoops look good, but way overkill, what length are they? i personally woulda extended the hoops right to the underside of the hood and built a removable engine truss, just my opinion thats all, looks good thou dood, hurry up, i wanna see this thing out and about mang

youngun
03-12-2012, 10:49 PM
More pics of gf please....

andrewmacc
03-13-2012, 06:22 PM
theres my box!!! i was wondering where it went :D

good to see ya got the ol`lady in there working on it with ya, mandy always helps me work on mine, she put all my doors on my xj and bolted my t-case up for me :D

your CO hoops look good, but way overkill, what length are they? i personally woulda extended the hoops right to the underside of the hood and built a removable engine truss, just my opinion thats all, looks good thou dood, hurry up, i wanna see this thing out and about mang
AGH. Just wrote a whole reply and it got deleted. I'll make it shorter now.

Yeah she's been great, got her running MIG and fluxcore, and stick. She's gettin' there, can run a pretty consistent bead. I made her a deal that if I can't break a single pass buttwelded plate, I'll take her for dinner. Pretty easy win but it encourages her to do well.

The hoops are overkill for sure, but the Jeep was 2" lower and they didn't give me any room for preload so I have to improvise with making longer frame stands. That's why they're like that.. overkill. :D If you look back you'll see the tubes were notched and had tube standoffs.

More pics of gf please....

Sorry. :D
All I'll give you is this:

Her running a 7018 rod.
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/403064_2681313366468_1665330018_2412208_1682381217 _n.jpg

My messy garage and my killer work toque:
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/393321_2681318046585_1665330018_2412210_808813002_ n.jpg

andrewmacc
03-13-2012, 11:47 PM
Got the t-case bolted up. Man that's heavy to do by yourself, cross-legged. Held it up with my head while I searched for the nuts for the studs.

May clock it one hole up more, otherwise I have to lightly mod the tranny crossmember.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/p480x480/424027_3201339926807_1665330018_2614221_1911453562 _n.jpg

http://img831.imageshack.us/img831/3295/imagewkx.jpg

andrewmacc
03-19-2012, 11:45 PM
Okey doke. I'm going camping in like 10 days and the goal is to drive the Jeep there. No front d/s, or carpet, t/c shifters, or even hydro assist (just plugging the holes with 1/4" plugs for now) or even exhaust (maybe) - the reason is that a buddy of mine is leaving to do camp work up North and he's refusing to come camping (which is actually his send-off, what a cheap ass) because he's broke. So he made me a deal that if I'm outside his house at 5:30 on March 30th with my pile of crap, he'll come. He says he doesn't care if his feet are hanging out of the floorboards, as long as it moves under its own power.

What a dumb bet to make. :rofl:


Anyway. So my rear driveshaft is at the shop getting lengthened (with an 4L, AX15, and a long output D300 with np231 CV yoke and stock-location 14bolt, the d/s length is 39" with approx 6.5" of lift or so) with a 1350 at the axle end.

If I have time I'll hack something together for a front shaft.. I have 2 xj front shafts lying around, maybe I can cobble something together with a 1310-1350 conversion joint. Locking hubs ftw.

Rear brakes are basically plumbed. The rubber hoses to the calipers are 1980 Chevy Chevette front brake hoses. Calipers are the typical 80's K20.
Hard lines are just run of the mill 3/16" from my local parts store, run off the steel braided "T" line that came with the Rusty's lift kit. Using 3/4" washers tacked onto the axle and hammered over to act as brake line clips.

Front brake hoses are Rusty's braided lines, drilled out to 7/16" for the larger banjo bolt of the 1-ton Dodge brakes (I'm using Dodge outers on the Ford HP60). I still have to replace my passenger side hardline from prop valve to pass. side front, I cut it and it's a 1-piece line. Any suggestions? Goes along the firewall behind the engine.. looks to be really hard.

Master cylinder is from a 2000-era Dodge RAM 2500, uses the stock XJ master lines, which are M10x1 and M12x1, with bubble flare on the master side, and double flare at the prop/combo valve.

I will have to experiment with the pushrod length. I bought a 1/4" fine thread bolt and cut off the head, but it's still too long. I threaded the old stock bolt back in for now, as far out as I felt comfortable with thread engagement into the pedal doodad thingie in the booster.

Also cut off the bracket holding the prop valve - the new master is too big for it.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/391557_3233882020339_1665330018_2627298_133038787_ n.jpg

Lieutenant Johnson
03-20-2012, 10:27 PM
Right on Andrew! Good luck getting it done. Where u campin?

andrewmacc
04-10-2012, 06:42 PM
Terrible vid, but just to show you my progress:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTKP8Ozg6xM


(only useful part is the first like 10 seconds and the last 10 seconds)

Punk in Drublic
04-10-2012, 07:10 PM
haha i remember my start up and put around the street in my first project, feels great eh. its rollin, just a matter a time till shes crawlin.

Happypants
04-10-2012, 07:19 PM
Did it light an even bigger fire under your ass to finish everything up :D

andrewmacc
04-10-2012, 09:57 PM
haha i remember my start up and put around the street in my first project, feels great eh. its rollin, just a matter a time till shes crawlin.
Hahah it's a feeling that's hard to explain. I was nervous that shit was just going to spontaneously combust, and the other part of me was just fuckin flyin'. I literally got out of the truck with a bunch of my friends there and momentarily humped the tire.

Jokingly.

Did it light an even bigger fire under your ass to finish everything up :D

You bet! Now that shit's in there it shouldn't be toooooooooooo long.
... tooooooooooooooooooooo.......

When I drove it last night one of my friends insisted that she wouldn't let me drive it without a helmet. Hahah. Such faith in my abilities..

Was going to take a driveby vid but wooo I just woke up from a nap. I took the day off from working on it, which is always nice sometimes. Anyway, here's another short useless clip.

http://youtu.be/BuFv31Yyfsk

Punk in Drublic
04-10-2012, 10:00 PM
no shame in humping tires. ive violated a few boggers in my time. and they werent even mine lol


cookie humps boggers too, but he likes to be on the botton lol

andrewmacc
04-23-2012, 01:00 PM
Figured I'd post this vid up too, made it last week. The jeep is currently off wheels:
- tore the front down to weld up the mounts, (done), just need to make 1/8" spacers
- leaf springs are being replaced with s10 blazer springs, we'll see how that works out.

http://youtu.be/yczOM2ZDgnM

Happypants
10-15-2012, 05:12 PM
jeep looks good mang, i like the fender flairs, i was following you down dewdney around noonish, your rear diff could use a trac bar thou, when your on and off the gas your rear diff is pivioting pretty good, either that or check your u-bolts,

other than that looks good, i was in the black mid 90s f250 next to ya

andrewmacc
11-05-2012, 02:30 AM
jeep looks good mang, i like the fender flairs, i was following you down dewdney around noonish, your rear diff could use a trac bar thou, when your on and off the gas your rear diff is pivioting pretty good, either that or check your u-bolts,

other than that looks good, i was in the black mid 90s f250 next to ya
Holy balls I keep forgetting to check this. I wasn't getting a ton of feedback here so it sort of just dropped off the pages.

Thanks! Yeah the flares were sort of a "oh shit", I got pulled over by the 5-0 and had to scramble something together quick. I made the mistake of welding the rear fenders on in beads.. so the rear panels are wavy. Crap. I'm thinking of just going from the inside and hammering some of it out.

Hahah yeaaah the track bar has been on the priority list for a while. D'oh. Part of the problem is that with the torque of 4:1 and no antiwrap, I've already managed to bend 1x S10 leaf pack, and then the 1x Rusty's XJ pack. I threw in a load spring to stiffen it back up a bit, but yeah she torques pretty bad. The hop is pretty bad when I'm bound up, you can hear the leaf pack chattering away. I've got a couple ideas in the making for an antiwrap and a front sway bar (buddy is cutting some plate out on his burn table this week). Both should make a huuge difference on and offroad.

Gimme a wave next time! I'm in Ridge aaalll the time, the girlfriend lives there. I think I recall the truck but I may have been preoccupied with the obnoxious exhaust note. Hard to think in there. :P I haven't had a chance to get a good exhaust in there from trying to think of how to package the wrap bar and exhaust and blah blah.

I'll throw some pictures up tomorrow to show some updates.

[36][36]



Eagle Ridge, picking up a tire at full droop.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJ-T6IxWrYo

short vid going back down V-rock
(I didn't need a spot, as they were yelling actually... my girlfriend spilled an entire Pepsi in the Jeep just as they yelled out, hahaha)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnWBsiVoHxA

(edit: just noticing tons of my pictures are dead ends now, wtf..)

in the summer, before I threw any flares on:

https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/406277_3967407598020_1495381117_n.jpg

https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/557871_3967602962904_1060593140_n.jpg

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procircuit
11-05-2012, 10:02 AM
cool, glad to see ya out enjoyin the heep

atoyot
11-05-2012, 10:23 AM
nice chick!!!
jeeps ok too i guess....:D .
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good to se u got it done...

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andrewmacc
11-11-2012, 03:25 PM
cool, glad to see ya out enjoyin the heep
Haha I know, not nearly as wicked as the pics I've seen of your rig, but hey, first rig ever built. [36] Thanks!

nice chick!!!
jeeps ok too i guess....:D .
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good to se u got it done...

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Yeah she's a trooper. Can't even explain how much of my shit she's put up with over this Jeep.
And definitely not finished yet! Still gotta attach the front flare to the panel, and do the other side. Gotta make a sway bar, rear antiwrap bar, limit straps, exhaust, tires, etc. But when are they ever done? [16]

Thanks guys!

My buddy cut out the base plates for the sway bar arms:
https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/542863_4443947231213_1752075916_n.jpg

https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/381882_4438881744579_286039802_n.jpg

trackyota
11-11-2012, 04:05 PM
More pics of chick fuck the jeep lol

Trailjunkie
11-11-2012, 05:51 PM
More pics of chick fuck the jeep lol

agreed

andrewmacc
11-12-2012, 01:11 AM
Don't really have any other photos like that of her. She's not a huge keener on letting me take pics, I got lucky with the Jeep shot because it had been a good weekend so she was in a good mood, hahaha.

Here's our Hallowe'en costumes:
https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/12880_4378489954822_1018084316_n.jpg


Other than that, this is a build thread. :D

Happypants
11-12-2012, 08:29 AM
Nice costume lol Osama haha

bjo44
11-24-2013, 08:41 PM
nice rig looks like it works good:D

Happypants
11-24-2013, 09:25 PM
Seen ya guys at the toy run, what u running for a motor in that thing?

Looks good btw

andrewmacc
12-01-2013, 07:22 PM
Haha thanks guys. Yeah I haven't updated this one much hey? If you guys don't mind, I'm gonna go picture nuts for a sec to catch up:

The beginning handful of pics must be like 6 months old by now.

Pulled the 4.0L out (for sale!) at my parent's house before eventually moving to the girlfriend-at-the-time's dad's huge ass shop
https://scontent-b-sea.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/311316_10200281195506949_1768108409_n.jpg

Started plating the frame before it went away
https://scontent-a-sea.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash2/301543_10200322958671002_868708914_n.jpg

Harness pulled and me welding up the frame
(the front jack stand on the sketchy cinderblock is honestly just there to balance it all out btw, it's not supporting basically anything, got some 12 tons on the frame rails behind me)
https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/269295_10200322751225816_1084240384_n.jpg

Buddy pulling it with his brand new Cummins (before he got a trailer)
https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/7947_10200371179076482_116901402_n.jpg

Moving the Jeep around with the donor truck before pulling its heart out too (5.9L Magnum, wish I had gone Chevy but the Dodge PCM makes the stock Jeep gauges work perfectly, hard to complain)
https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/47034_10200393467633682_1592834574_n.jpg

Choo choo
https://scontent-a-sea.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash2/294124_10200671637147746_1068526673_n.jpg

https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/295538_10200702574961172_1180236148_n.jpg

Built custom motor mounts
https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/1044113_10200835540725233_1201839995_n.jpg

https://scontent-b-sea.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/1013713_10200837199126692_1802674098_n.jpg

You can see I had to notch the frame rail for the headers
https://scontent-a-sea.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/1045165_10200906275613561_1230084380_n.jpg

https://scontent-a-sea.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash2/1044319_10200921813562000_1045510648_n.jpg

Bye bye wheel wells
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/7659_10201367850272639_388008545_n.jpg

Relocated battery a little bit and fit it all in
https://scontent-b-sea.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/1381975_10201478463477900_1497074971_n.jpg

Outboarded shock hoops
https://scontent-a-sea.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/644147_10201510314234149_1256471451_n.jpg

Put a little sheet metal back in around the coilovers
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Had to cut the hood for the air cleaner and alternator
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Just gotta make a few more modifications before it'll close all snug
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Pyrat Offroad pinion guard
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Built a RogueFab bender
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Wheel wells basically done
Seam sealer on all the seams after this pic as well
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Toy Run!
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She's actually pretty low.. This is Casselman's S10
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Whipped up a panhard mount
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Even did a little arithmetic, cut the pieces 1/2" off each other, turned them around, and the panhard now had a nice 14* bend to it (I have no shop press to bend with)
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Used some 3"x3" 3/16" box tube for the upper link mount, but I want to gusset it some more because of its height and thickness. As well as box in the panhard, because of its height
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Kind of a deceiving picture IMO.. I personally think it's higher than it looks, that spot is slanted so the passenger side is actually going downhill as I flexed out.. Shrug!
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And you'll have to forgive the douchey selfie, I'm just happy I have it running and moving :)

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Happypants
12-01-2013, 07:56 PM
Nice moustache [36] lol, I passed by ya at the toy run, on 2nd, was gonna say hi but ya took off, but ya that thing is nice and low, I like it, looks good

Burge
12-02-2013, 09:23 AM
sick cherocar. Your fab work looks nice.

bjo44
12-02-2013, 01:55 PM
sick fenders and nice welds good job buddy:D

procircuit
12-02-2013, 01:56 PM
dats a big ole cherocar.. nice work!

MOOSEHUNTER
12-03-2013, 01:31 PM
nice job drive it like you stole it

Happypants
12-03-2013, 02:16 PM
what size tires you running on it? 39?

Casselman
12-03-2013, 02:47 PM
Its pretty sick for a jeep [36] still couldnt keep up with the good old S - Dime lol :D

andrewmacc
12-03-2013, 05:44 PM
Nice moustache [36] lol, I passed by ya at the toy run, on 2nd, was gonna say hi but ya took off, but ya that thing is nice and low, I like it, looks good

Hahaha it's all gone now! But it came in actually rather well, all things considered, you should have seen last year's mo, it was Sanchezy.
Sorry I took off! I was probably too busy keeping an eye on the engine temp gauge, I don't trust my radiator yet. It's just a dual core (or triple, can't remember) stock radiator replacement, swapped outlets and the larger V8 ports.
I don't think I can get any lower, too.. I want it lower, but the driveshaft already made itself a custom clearance groove in the sheet metal floor. No biggie, kinda intentional, but there's no way I can go lower - I have a clocking flip ring on the D300, but the lowest clocking position is still like at least 5* higher than the stock unflipped orientation. Nothing hangs below the frame though!


sick cherocar. Your fab work looks nice.

Thanks man! Fab work has improved massively from the beginning, I can't wait to build something else with the better skills - I keep running across stuff from the beginning of the build and wanting to redo it all.

sick fenders and nice welds good job buddy:D

Thanks! The fenders are kind of a unique thing about the XJ. I'm still not sure I like the front fenders, they were built using weld-in elbows before I got my hands on a tube bender. I just cut the angles I needed and welded them in, slapped some sheet on 'em, and ran them intentionally long underneath the rig with an ugly 90* so that when I cut my rocker panels out I can just notch the tube to the rocker replacement box tube. But at least it differentiates it from other XJs. I do like the rear fender tube lines, just gotta clean it up and notch and such.

dats a big ole cherocar.. nice work!

Especially thanks, knowing your fab skills and capabilities and history of not liking Jeeps. lol

nice job drive it like you stole it
Oh, I do. I definitely do. I actually sorta jumped it the Thursday night that the week permit ran up. I don't have my bump stops installed yet, so I was trying to take it easy, but I goosed the throttle on a good flat spot because it looked harmless, but you know how those divets hide in the dirt. Couldn't stab the brakes quick enough and got a little lift off. Panhard introduced itself to the oil pan and hit the rod bolt. I took off the oil pan last night, it definitely hit the connecting rod cap nut.. I think I'm safe from crank damage though. That nut is the absolute lowest part of the rotation and all it did was take a small sliver off the nut. I'm just gonna spray it clean, gently file the sliver, hammer out the pan and call it good. I expect no difficulties. I got lucky.


what size tires you running on it? 39?

Just balding 37"s right now, that I desperately want to bid good riddance to. A good set of tires will make a big difference. Some 42"s just came up on crawlin, in WA though, but I really want them. 42" iroks for 17" rims. I really want new tires that are around 40"s, 1. so my wheels and tires will finally match for the H2 rims, and 2. get rid of the hard mall crawler tires up front and the bald ass swampers in the rear on beadless freaking 12" wide 16.5 wagon wheels.

Its pretty sick for a jeep [36] still couldnt keep up with the good old S - Dime lol :D
LOL, I think you might be mistaken! :P I drove up that bit backwards and forwards, and I also had like 25 to 30 PSI in the tires the whole time, with only a rear locker. We'll have to have a wheel off for a couple beers, you and Lee seem to think it's not capable. :dontknow:

Casselman
12-03-2013, 05:54 PM
lol you didnt go up that 4 foot ledge, none the less it was sweet to see it bounce off some rocks :D

andrewmacc
12-03-2013, 06:00 PM
lol you didnt go up that 4 foot ledge, none the less it was sweet to see it bounce off some rocks :D
Pff, bring it! oh yeah

I'll do it next time, I wanna go wheeling again anyway! Went down it, didn't seem like it will be that bad honestly, I've got the wheelbase too to make that stuff not so pucker-like. If there were a step or something in the way, it would be a whole different obstacle, but you can just take a straight shot at that line. I wouldn't wanna do it in a stock WB samurai or YJ or something though. Talky McTalkerson wasn't moving anywhere. I still went up the other side backwards. :D

vajayjay
12-03-2013, 06:24 PM
Junk :D



Looks good oh yeah

Happypants
12-03-2013, 08:47 PM
Ohhhh shit!! Looks like we got some smack talk going on!! Woot woot, let's do this!!

andrewmacc
12-15-2013, 12:09 AM
Got the hood on, for now.
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Non Jeep-related stuff:
Been building my buddy a tube bumper for his Nissan Xterra.

We pulled an allnighter until 7:00am this morning because we agreed he was driving home with the bumper on his truck, not in the trunk, after a few weekends of work. I also needed a break (gotta pack and clean as well, moving all the tools and the Jeep home next week), so I told him we'd do the gusset and plate work the week after next, it's not like he's gonna hurry up and toss a rope around it and yank on things. So we threw a heavy coat of some gloss block to get him by until he gives it a good coat of high build primer and spray bedliner.
Honestly..... I love it. It looks cool. It's still a bit of work running the welder around those 1.5" tubes, still working on my consistency while changing the torch angle around the small radius.

I know, not Jeep related. I did take him for a spin around the neighbourhood though. He was surprised at the grunt with the big ass tires. No LS1 but still fun.

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Had some leftover tabs I found in a box of old goodies
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procircuit
12-15-2013, 08:54 AM
That turned out pretty sweet!

bjo44
12-15-2013, 10:01 AM
lookin good bud :D

andrewmacc
12-22-2013, 02:50 PM
Thanks guys!! It was a lot of fun. Definitely a few hours in it, we had to learn how to bend tube, haha. First bending project with the bender.

So, had I not been out there at the time, the Jeep would have gone the way of Lemon Tart. The dome light was on, and I was under the truck bleeding the slave cylinder (futilely, looks like the clutch fork popped off and I can't get into gear.. tranny pullin time :( ),

and I stand up, and look in the truck through the muddy windows and think to myself "I don't recall the dome lights looking that orange.." for about a full second before realizing holy shit my truck is on fire.

The dome light was dangling, melting, on fire, lighting the headliner and the fiberglass rear speaker bar on fire. I grabbed my shop jacket and smothered the dome light before it could drop and light the carpet on fire, ran and grabbed the fire extinguisher and gave it a good shot. I caught it before the fire got carried away, but there were definitely some good flames inside.

So now even after trying to cut out the crispy wiring and separating them, the IOD fuse keeps blowing, so I don't know where else it got melty. Guess I have to pull the headliner. Aaand the tranny. Ugh.


And then! on the way home from a family Christmas dinner, the Toyota blew up on the highway. I think the t-case chain snapped. Came rolling to a stop feeling like I had square wheels as whatever it is was binding up in the drivetrain. Had to pull the truck into a parking lot with the gf's dad's truck. So it's parked at Harris and Lougheed waiting for me, so if the windows are smashed out call me :P

Merry Christmas to me.

andrewmacc
01-10-2014, 03:54 AM
Got myself a real truck. Toyota blew up on the highway, I thiiiiiink the t-case chain let go. Fixed my dad's van so I could drive it around 'til I got wheels, and AFAIK the motor let go coming off the Golden Ears bridge.
Does anyone have a t-case for cheap for an '88 yota? I can't seem to find a chain to buy, but I also haven't pulled it apart yet.

So I said "okay, getting towed two times in a week is enough" and I got a truck that should last a long time as long as I take care of it. Futureproofed myself so I can tow the Jeep or whatever toys I'll get later on. After schooling is done taking up all my friggin time.

164,000km on the clock, 6-spd, CTD HO 305/555 motor, fully loaded leather power e'rything (recently discovered it has power pedal positioning too haha), man I missed heated seats! Nice to have back again.

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Unfortunately, mice got into the Jeep. Made a nest in the glovebox. Not having good luck!
(pizza boxes are awesome for cardboard templates, I hoard any that I get)
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atoyot
01-10-2014, 12:11 PM
ahhhh mice in the glove box........that sucks


there lilturds get everywhere.....



WHEEEELIN!

vajayjay
01-10-2014, 01:25 PM
So is it a useless moneypit yet?




:D

procircuit
01-10-2014, 01:40 PM
fires... mouse poops... pizza boxes..



so much character for that jeep.


[36]

78bronco
01-11-2014, 11:12 AM
bounty dryer sheets keep mice out un wanted places

4skin
01-11-2014, 04:35 PM
On the dodge if it don't have one yet get a low fuel press warning light added
The lift pumps quit and truck keeps running fine till the injector pump calves
And good catch on the fire