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fullsizebronco
01-31-2011, 10:29 PM
its time for new tie rods i have the dana 50 ttb in my 94 f250 diesel i was wondering if it would be a stupid idea to go to a crossover steering set up. im thinking with it pivoting in the center would there be any binding issues??? also im wondering how the wear and tear on this set up is as i will be doing a fare about of off road and the truck is heavy and is also my DD.. i hope to be going to at the very least a 35 inch tire i also have a lift in the truck and it just looks like a way better set up to go with the lift as i do not have a drop pitman arm now with the price of all new tie rods being about 200 for the cheap ones i was wondering if this would be the better option ?

[cheers] thanks for any and all input

rmiller026
01-31-2011, 10:53 PM
Hp d44 is a direct swap I beleive and there cheep

fullsizebronco
01-31-2011, 10:55 PM
ya i did ask that question before but there was a few people who said that it may not hold up to the wight of my truck

Mud Slinging Dumb Fawker
01-31-2011, 10:57 PM
d44 would hold up good to just dding

fullsizebronco
01-31-2011, 11:01 PM
well unfortunately i tend to have this truck off road more than i would like im sure you seen the one im talking about i think you passed me on your quad when i was stuck on the toy run its a red and wight diesel now it just has a lift installed

rmiller026
01-31-2011, 11:02 PM
Fuck that dude I had a stock HD d44 ran 40s on it forever never broke nuthin and I had a lil bit built big block pushin them I never broke till I ran 44 boggers and even then I got a lot of hard wheelin on it

4skin
01-31-2011, 11:04 PM
think with crossover on ttb would cause exsesive tire wear
due to the fact that as suspension travels
track width changes
could also bind as steering arms also change angle
the inverted y setup kind of compensates
the way it pivots in the middle
hope this makes sense to you[cheers]

Mud Slinging Dumb Fawker
01-31-2011, 11:07 PM
and crossover wont work with ttb will bind to much they have the haltenberger steering for a reason

fullsizebronco
01-31-2011, 11:07 PM
ya i have had good luck with ttb dana 44s holding up to my 460 and 38.5s but as far as needing a new front end im not sure i will bother until i find a dana 60 to bolt right in all the rest of the dana 50 is rebuilt including balljoints i just screwed up the tie rods in the bush

fullsizebronco
01-31-2011, 11:09 PM
think with crossover on ttb would cause exsesive tire wear
due to the fact that as suspension travels
track width changes
could also bind as steering arms also change angle
the inverted y setup kind of compensates
the way it pivots in the middle
hope this makes sense to you[cheers]


yes it does make sense! it was one of my concerns but i tend to be wrong some times so i though it would ask[cheers]

Mud Slinging Dumb Fawker
01-31-2011, 11:10 PM
there is a balljoint 60 on castanet just the housing get some new axles and all your ttb stuff should fit as the outers

fullsizebronco
01-31-2011, 11:11 PM
and crossover wont work with ttb will bind to much they have the haltenberger steering for a reason

must be nice to work for ford and know all the good stuff eh lol seen the ranger in the parking lot looks sick what are you going to do with your steering? can you drive it like that ?

rmiller026
01-31-2011, 11:12 PM
I mean a HD solid Dana 44 200 bucks and ur sased

Mud Slinging Dumb Fawker
01-31-2011, 11:12 PM
i have highsteer i am installing when i get back

Mud Slinging Dumb Fawker
01-31-2011, 11:14 PM
i have it just good enough to drive it in and out of the shop[15] [15]

78'460
01-31-2011, 11:16 PM
no way a d44 hold upto 38's an 460. i got the same set up, picked up the 1 tons off of boyzen on here just waitin so slap under the bronco.

fullsizebronco
01-31-2011, 11:16 PM
there is a balljoint 60 on castanet just the housing get some new axles and all your ttb stuff should fit as the outers
thanks i seen that i was going to get if off the guy a while ago he is a member here but he backed out of the deal and he thinks the gears are not 4:10s witch i need and i looked up to see if parts would fit off my 50 but guess axles spindles etc are different and not swappable im still thinking about it tho [cheers]

fullsizebronco
01-31-2011, 11:18 PM
i have it just good enough to drive it in and out of the shop[15] [15]
haha nice cant wait to see that thing out !

Mud Slinging Dumb Fawker
01-31-2011, 11:18 PM
no way a d44 hold upto 38's an 460. i got the same set up, picked up the 1 tons off of boyzen on here just waitin so slap under the bronco.

i ran 38.5s for about 4 years on my 44 and the only problem was axle shafts but for light wheeling and dd would be good

4skin
01-31-2011, 11:22 PM
Fuck that dude I had a stock HD d44 ran 40s on it forever never broke nuthin and I had a lil bit built big block pushin them I never broke till I ran 44 boggers and even then I got a lot of hard wheelin on it
were the 40s bald:dontknow:
my hi pin 44 used to break axles all the time with q78 tsl swampers
and a 300 six
and not using cheep ujoints
that diesel is way heavier in the front than any big block
theres a reason f 350s have a sixty in the front
a 44 would be a downgrade over the ttb
wouldnt cost much more to put a sixty in over a 44
in my opinion any way

fullsizebronco
01-31-2011, 11:24 PM
no way a d44 hold upto 38's an 460. i got the same set up, picked up the 1 tons off of boyzen on here just waitin so slap under the bronco.
lol i have owned at least 3 fords that i have had my mickey ts on one with a 302 one with a 400 and one with a 460 and all of them have held up to some heavy baggin![36] and the one with the 460 is the biggest truck out of them being ex cab long box and the tires are still like new to this day so its not because they are bald or anything ;)

http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w193/fullsizebronco/P5150418.jpg

fullsizebronco
01-31-2011, 11:30 PM
were the 40s bald:dontknow:
my hi pin 44 used to break axles all the time with q78 tsl swampers
and a 300 six
and not using cheep ujoints
that diesel is way heavier in the front than any big block
theres a reason f 350s have a sixty in the front
a 44 would be a downgrade over the ttb
wouldnt cost much more to put a sixty in over a 44
in my opinion any way

i think sometimes its just luck lol my brother with the same 78 bronco i had but with 35s blew his u joints yokes etc and me i think one yoke off the transfer case with that 78 in the time i owned it and ya i am one of the people who does not mind my ttb front end i have maintained it half ass and never had any funny wear other than when i busted a tie rod and did a bush fix lol and have beat the shit out of it and its still holding up great but i do want to do a shackle reversal for a little more lift and a nicer ride in the front one day and i need the 60 to do that plus ill be able to get rid of the drop brackets

4skin
01-31-2011, 11:35 PM
maybe your muds different up there bud lol
a buddy had video of my truck blowing a axle
the u joint missed his head by inches
you could hear it whistling by and see the whole ujoint cross on video
scary thing to see

Mud Slinging Dumb Fawker
01-31-2011, 11:35 PM
were the 40s bald:dontknow:
my hi pin 44 used to break axles all the time with q78 tsl swampers
and a 300 six
and not using cheep ujoints
that diesel is way heavier in the front than any big block
theres a reason f 350s have a sixty in the front
a 44 would be a downgrade over the ttb
wouldnt cost much more to put a sixty in over a 44
in my opinion any way
it would cost more d44= 100$ d60= 500+$

but a 60 would be a batter bet for ya cuz u will want to go bigger tires and with bigger tires u will want bigger axles

4skin
01-31-2011, 11:39 PM
oh yea i think johny6door up your way was advetising a sixty check the for sale

fullsizebronco
01-31-2011, 11:49 PM
oh yea i think johny6door up your way was advetising a sixty check the for sale

ya thats the one i was going to get but it has the wrong gears and needs just about everything so i think i am going to keep my eye open for a complete one unless he drops the price again to just get rid of it because he has had it forever lol

fullsizebronco
01-31-2011, 11:51 PM
and i think our postill mud could be described as almost a thick clay shit mix once its on your truck its never coming off lol

fullsizebronco
01-31-2011, 11:55 PM
it would cost more d44= 100$ d60= 500+$

but a 60 would be a batter bet for ya cuz u will want to go bigger tires and with bigger tires u will want bigger axles

and ya i do want bigger tires i want to run a 37 ish tire for my daily driving just have to see if i can sell some of my smaller tires first lol and im real good at getting myself in sticky situations lol even tho i should just be fixing and getting my bronco ready to wheel so i dont always have to bad my diesel :party0010:

rmiller026
02-01-2011, 12:37 AM
were the 40s bald:dontknow:
my hi pin 44 used to break axles all the time with q78 tsl swampers
and a 300 six
and not using cheep ujoints
that diesel is way heavier in the front than any big block
theres a reason f 350s have a sixty in the front
a 44 would be a downgrade over the ttb
wouldnt cost much more to put a sixty in over a 44
in my opinion any way

No my 40s wernt bald it was a completely stock d 44 with 390 4sp 205 set up and that bitch got bagged on like airborne spinning 6000rpm every hole spent 3 years of it's life like that till I put the 44 boggers on and even then I bagged the fuck outa it for 4 overnight camping trips befor I broke a axleshaft ujoint towing my buddy out backwards

4skin
02-01-2011, 01:11 AM
lol cmon a 390 spining 6000 rpm and staying together not on stock parts
it wont for long

rmiller026
02-01-2011, 01:24 AM
It wasn't a stock 390 the heads were done and some roller rockers but ended up putting a push rod through the block the d 44 held up for a long time on 40s my buddy owned the truck for 3 years then me for a year

78'460
02-01-2011, 08:27 AM
I have standard tranny though, So that does make a difference. I destroyed the rear end I dont see why the front would be any different

http://i715.photobucket.com/albums/ww156/7bronco8/IMG_1356.jpg

http://i715.photobucket.com/albums/ww156/7bronco8/IMG_1421.jpg

rmiller026
02-01-2011, 09:19 AM
I wasn't running half tons

fullsizebronco
02-05-2011, 08:40 PM
maybe bad casting in the 9 inch? lol usually they can hold up to almost anything mine was welded with brand new 38.5s Mickey T's

FU Toolbag
02-06-2011, 12:35 AM
Do I see about 3/8" gap between the perch and the spring? If so, having your axle whipping around like that, it mighta caused your minor issue there.

fullsizebronco
02-06-2011, 12:45 AM
oh shit your right! i did have the perches squish a bit on the front and back on my 78 bronco as well but i romped on it alot in that truck

Cwheeler
02-06-2011, 12:59 AM
I have standard tranny though, So that does make a difference. I destroyed the rear end I dont see why the front would be any different

http://i715.photobucket.com/albums/ww156/7bronco8/IMG_1356.jpg

http://i715.photobucket.com/albums/ww156/7bronco8/IMG_1421.jpg

haha thats impressive

Punk in Drublic
02-06-2011, 01:26 AM
funny things can happen, i broke an axel 60 front with q78s and a built 300-6. everything is breakable. but def go with the 60 for the deisel.

fullsizebronco
02-06-2011, 01:41 AM
ya i will eventually get a 60 under it but unless its cheap i wont be in any hurry anymore the 50ttb has been good to me i just pulled the passenger side apart today to do the bearings and u joint but turns out the bearings are still good just one of the nuts had backed off the front bearing making me think they where worn out so im going to put it all back together in the morning and give it another wiggle before i take all the bearings back to the store